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Location: midwest mama | I have a friend whose toes point downward and she kind of rolls forward over her ankle when she turns around a barrel during a run. That makes her feet go behind her.
She is driving herself crazy trying to figure out what she needs to adjust to make that not happen.
Are her stirrups too long? Should she try different stirrups? She is using the wider aluminum ones with the grip in the bottom right now.
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| It could be one of two things. Either her stirrups are too long or her saddle seat is too small. Stirrups too long---you reach for the stirrup. Seat too small you cannot get your feet out in front of you. Sit on a bar stool and put your feet slightly behind you. It is impossible to get your toes up or even with your foot. I don't care what size seat you have, if you cannot get your feet in front of you it is too small. Also the size of the seat is not what holds you in. It is your weight on the stirrups |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | streakysox - 2014-08-31 8:52 PM It could be one of two things. Either her stirrups are too long or her saddle seat is too small. Stirrups too long---you reach for the stirrup. Seat too small you cannot get your feet out in front of you. Sit on a bar stool and put your feet slightly behind you. It is impossible to get your toes up or even with your foot. I don't care what size seat you have, if you cannot get your feet in front of you it is too small. Also the size of the seat is not what holds you in. It is your weight on the stirrups
If that were true, no one could stay on after losing stirrups. |
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| All the barrel horse trainers and clinicians tell you to never look down at the barrel & look where you are going, but almost every picture of every winning barrel racers shows their eyes looking toward the barrel...... and their feet are not always heels down, toes up or toes level.
Of course poor body position does effect the success of the run. Your friend's issue may be as simple as her placement of her foot in the stirrup before the run. If she can't easily put her foot in a proper placement when not in a run, she should be able to make the adjustment & know what needs to be done....... length of stirrup, foot placement, seat, etc.
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Location: Kansas | In all my pictures, my toes are down, but my legs are always in the correct position |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | Three 4 Luck - 2014-08-31 10:14 PM streakysox - 2014-08-31 8:52 PM It could be one of two things. Either her stirrups are too long or her saddle seat is too small. Stirrups too long---you reach for the stirrup. Seat too small you cannot get your feet out in front of you. Sit on a bar stool and put your feet slightly behind you. It is impossible to get your toes up or even with your foot. I don't care what size seat you have, if you cannot get your feet in front of you it is too small. Also the size of the seat is not what holds you in. It is your weight on the stirrups If that were true, no one could stay on after losing stirrups.
Ditto....stirrups doing really do much for me. I can run the same pattern without them. |
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| Let me correct what I said--yes you do stay in the saddle by weight on your stirrups, but more important you maintain proper balance. I probably have taken 20,000 barrel racing pictures so I went back through a few for examples. I will tell you that 1D horses take spectacular pictures and all the others are good. If you understand what I am saying. Note their toes are NOT pointed down. The gal on the gray horse has overall perfect form. To get this you have to have your weight on your outside stirrup. The little girl on the bay is about 6 years old and since she is Josey trained she was started right. The other one has good form too. I did include one picture where the girl's feet are pointed down and overall form is not that good. Her legs are in the correct position though. The paint horse is my horse at the APHA world show ridden by my trainer. Her feet are not pointed down either. (He is Reserve World Champion) What I am trying to say is that correct balance will make your horse work better. If you want to settle for mediocre and what you are doing works for you don't change. I think the person in question is trying to improve.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | When I see people with their toes down they are usually tipped forward out of their saddle and are not in balance. Because they are forward the only place their toes can go is down. |
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| My inside toe usually tips down and I THINK its because my foot is too far in the stirrup. My leg is in good spot and I am sitting down in the right spot. But ive wondered this too
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| streakysox - 2014-08-31 10:38 PM
Let me correct what I said--yes you do stay in the saddle by weight on your stirrups, but more important you maintain proper balance. I probably have taken 20,000 barrel racing pictures so I went back through a few for examples. I will tell you that 1D horses take spectacular pictures and all the others are good. If you understand what I am saying. Note their toes are NOT pointed down. The gal on the gray horse has overall perfect form. To get this you have to have your weight on your outside stirrup. The little girl on the bay is about 6 years old and since she is Josey trained she was started right. The other one has good form too. I did include one picture where the girl's feet are pointed down and overall form is not that good. Her legs are in the correct position though. The paint horse is my horse at the APHA world show ridden by my trainer. Her feet are not pointed down either. (He is Reserve World Champion) What I am trying to say is that correct balance will make your horse work better. If you want to settle for mediocre and what you are doing works for you don't change. I think the person in question is trying to improve.
I see the girl on the gray with her inside toe pointing down?.... |
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| OldSchoolCowgirl - 2014-08-31 8:26 PM
I have a friend whose toes point downward and she kind of rolls forward over her ankle when she turns around a barrel during a run. That makes her feet go behind her.
She is driving herself crazy trying to figure out what she needs to adjust to make that not happen.
Are her stirrups too long? Should she try different stirrups? She is using the wider aluminum ones with the grip in the bottom right now.
Can anyone help?
If its both toes, I think shes probably not using her core and shes likely riding on her crotch vs her seat bones when sitting around a barrel. without a picture, its hard to tell though |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | stayceem - 2014-08-31 11:05 PM OldSchoolCowgirl - 2014-08-31 8:26 PM I have a friend whose toes point downward and she kind of rolls forward over her ankle when she turns around a barrel during a run. That makes her feet go behind her. She is driving herself crazy trying to figure out what she needs to adjust to make that not happen. Are her stirrups too long? Should she try different stirrups? She is using the wider aluminum ones with the grip in the bottom right now. Can anyone help? If its both toes, I think shes probably not using her core and shes likely riding on her crotch vs her seat bones when sitting around a barrel. without a picture, its hard to tell though
Thats what it sounds like to me, riding up on their crotch area, not useing core.  |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | OK now I'm going over some of my pictures to see if I'm doing that pointing toe thingy,lol.. So far so good. |
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| Technically the balls of your feet should be on the stirrup. Most folks push their feet in further. Most of the pictures posted above show the feet further in the stirrups than we are supposed to ride...... The true heels down, balls of feet on the stirrup.
If you are having success, then keep on trucking. If you aren't then make adjustments as needed. |
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Location: Oklahoma | sodapop - 2014-08-31 11:16 PM Technically the balls of your feet should be on the stirrup. Most folks push their feet in further. Most of the pictures posted above show the feet further in the stirrups than we are supposed to ride...... The true heels down, balls of feet on the stirrup.
If you are having success, then keep on trucking. If you aren't then make adjustments as needed.
I know that when I band my feet it's impossible to get my toes up just because my foot seems to be shoved up in th stirrup and secured there. |
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Location: IN MY OWN LITTLE WORLD AT LEAST THEY KNOW ME HERE | My Dad was a PRCA calf roper n broke horses. He led w one foot forward n one foot back slightly.
He taught me to point inside toe down n slightly forward n lock my leg.
My out side foot slightly back n slightly pointed n locked.
Weight pushed down in both stirrups. Pelvis pushed to the front of saddle bears the body weight.
My heels r never down as this is counter productive n will lose a stirrup.
And will throw you forward if horse moves different.
I lock in.
Boot heel butted up against stirrup.
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Location: on my horse | stayceem - 2014-08-31 10:03 PM
streakysox - 2014-08-31 10:38 PM
Let me correct what I said--yes you do stay in the saddle by weight on your stirrups, but more important you maintain proper balance. I probably have taken 20,000 barrel racing pictures so I went back through a few for examples. I will tell you that 1D horses take spectacular pictures and all the others are good. If you understand what I am saying. Note their toes are NOT pointed down. The gal on the gray horse has overall perfect form. To get this you have to have your weight on your outside stirrup. The little girl on the bay is about 6 years old and since she is Josey trained she was started right. The other one has good form too. I did include one picture where the girl's feet are pointed down and overall form is not that good. Her legs are in the correct position though. The paint horse is my horse at the APHA world show ridden by my trainer. Her feet are not pointed down either. (He is Reserve World Champion) What I am trying to say is that correct balance will make your horse work better. If you want to settle for mediocre and what you are doing works for you don't change. I think the person in question is trying to improve.
I see the girl on the gray with her inside toe pointing down?....
I don't think her toe is down so much as she's really using that inside leg on her horse and her foot is level in the stirrup |
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| redmansmyman11 - 2014-09-01 12:02 AM stayceem - 2014-08-31 10:03 PM streakysox - 2014-08-31 10:38 PM Let me correct what I said--yes you do stay in the saddle by weight on your stirrups, but more important you maintain proper balance. I probably have taken 20,000 barrel racing pictures so I went back through a few for examples. I will tell you that 1D horses take spectacular pictures and all the others are good. If you understand what I am saying. Note their toes are NOT pointed down. The gal on the gray horse has overall perfect form. To get this you have to have your weight on your outside stirrup. The little girl on the bay is about 6 years old and since she is Josey trained she was started right. The other one has good form too. I did include one picture where the girl's feet are pointed down and overall form is not that good. Her legs are in the correct position though. The paint horse is my horse at the APHA world show ridden by my trainer. Her feet are not pointed down either. (He is Reserve World Champion) What I am trying to say is that correct balance will make your horse work better. If you want to settle for mediocre and what you are doing works for you don't change. I think the person in question is trying to improve. I see the girl on the gray with her inside toe pointing down?.... I don't think her toe is down so much as she's really using that inside leg on her horse and her foot is level in the stirrup
What about the 2nd from the last picture? I don't see it with the gray horse, but do with the picture I mentioned. |
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Location: on my horse | sodapop - 2014-08-31 11:08 PM
redmansmyman11 - 2014-09-01 12:02 AM stayceem - 2014-08-31 10:03 PM streakysox - 2014-08-31 10:38 PM Let me correct what I said--yes you do stay in the saddle by weight on your stirrups, but more important you maintain proper balance. I probably have taken 20,000 barrel racing pictures so I went back through a few for examples. I will tell you that 1D horses take spectacular pictures and all the others are good. If you understand what I am saying. Note their toes are NOT pointed down. The gal on the gray horse has overall perfect form. To get this you have to have your weight on your outside stirrup. The little girl on the bay is about 6 years old and since she is Josey trained she was started right. The other one has good form too. I did include one picture where the girl's feet are pointed down and overall form is not that good. Her legs are in the correct position though. The paint horse is my horse at the APHA world show ridden by my trainer. Her feet are not pointed down either. (He is Reserve World Champion) What I am trying to say is that correct balance will make your horse work better. If you want to settle for mediocre and what you are doing works for you don't change. I think the person in question is trying to improve. I see the girl on the gray with her inside toe pointing down?.... I don't think her toe is down so much as she's really using that inside leg on her horse and her foot is level in the stirrup
I see it on the second from the last horse too, I can't really even see her inside leg but outside definitely, and she looks a little more popped forward than the others. |
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| sodapop - 2014-09-01 12:08 AM
redmansmyman11 - 2014-09-01 12:02 AM stayceem - 2014-08-31 10:03 PM streakysox - 2014-08-31 10:38 PM Let me correct what I said--yes you do stay in the saddle by weight on your stirrups, but more important you maintain proper balance. I probably have taken 20,000 barrel racing pictures so I went back through a few for examples. I will tell you that 1D horses take spectacular pictures and all the others are good. If you understand what I am saying. Note their toes are NOT pointed down. The gal on the gray horse has overall perfect form. To get this you have to have your weight on your outside stirrup. The little girl on the bay is about 6 years old and since she is Josey trained she was started right. The other one has good form too. I did include one picture where the girl's feet are pointed down and overall form is not that good. Her legs are in the correct position though. The paint horse is my horse at the APHA world show ridden by my trainer. Her feet are not pointed down either. (He is Reserve World Champion) What I am trying to say is that correct balance will make your horse work better. If you want to settle for mediocre and what you are doing works for you don't change. I think the person in question is trying to improve. I see the girl on the gray with her inside toe pointing down?.... I don't think her toe is down so much as she's really using that inside leg on her horse and her foot is level in the stirrup
Yeah my toe tips down when I use my leg I guess is my point. My outside toe is up... i think thats common which I guess was what i was trying to say...
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