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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Let me preface this by saying this is just my opinion. First, we hear this story about this monster Ray Price punching his girlfriend (after she supposedly punched him) in the elevator. The NFL suspends him for two games. Now this video of the incident gets out and he's suspended indefinitely. NFL commissioner Roger Godell is taking heat for the incident because he supposedly lied when he said he hadn't seen the video before the 2 game suspension was acted upon. Everyone in the media is calling for his head, demanding he either be fired or resign. Why? Because he "lied to the American people"! Now, word gets out that Adrian Peterson spanked his kid viciously with a switch, causing abrasions on his back, ass, and scrotum. The Vikings, being aware of the current climate in the media, summarily "de-activates" Peterson, seeminly as an attempt to be pre-emptive and avoid the consternation of the media and the public. No doubt, there will be calls for banning Peterson as well. I have three thoughts that have come to mind regarding both incidents.
Why is it that Godell is expected to be either fired or resign for "lying to the American people", while our President clearly has lied about matters much more critical to the American people? Am I the only one who sees this as a glaring double-standard, and a clear indicator of how sick and twisted we have become when it comes to our priorities?
Second, I don't know if Peterson is a monster of some sort, or if this purported "child abuse" is blown out of proportion. Why is it that the verdict has already been passed down and a judgement issued on a matter that has yet to be decided in court? As far as I know, in this country, isn't a person innocent until proven guilty? Again, why doesn't the same set of standards apply to our politicians? After all, what they do is far more consequential to the American people than the actions of a professional athlete, right? Correct me if I'm wrong.
Third, I bet a lot of us had our asses whupped when we were kids.....and we probably benefitted from it. In my opinion, there isn't enough ass whupping....and there isn't enough parenting, particularly in the African-American community.
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Location: Where the stars at night are big and bright, TX | The marks left on the 4 yr. old, go beyond a spanking. He condones it, admitted to it, said he'd whip them like he as was whipped growing up. Multiple bleeding slashes from the switch up and down that 4 yr. olds legs and hands, bruises on other parts of his body aren't "a spanking" as most would define it. He's not got enough sense to know the difference. He was quoted after the child abuse death of his 2 yr. old son that he wanted to be a better man and leader to his kids, a better example for God. So much for that yet. |
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| Tilt The Kilt - 2014-09-14 10:16 AM The marks left on the 4 yr. old, go beyond a spanking. He condones it, admitted to it, said he'd whip them like he as was whipped growing up. Multiple bleeding slashes from the switch up and down that 4 yr. olds legs and hands, bruises on other parts of his body aren't "a spanking" as most would define it. He's not got enough sense to know the difference. He was quoted after the child abuse death of his 2 yr. old son that he wanted to be a better man and leader to his kids, a better example for God. So much for that yet.
I was thinking it was him who had the 2 year old abused and killed by a boyfriend of the baby's mother. |
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Location: n.c. | Also, why would you marry a man the day after he knocked you unconscious. What is wrong with people.
As for the double standard; there is no standard for the potus. Apparently.
As for asking for the head of Godell. Get a life people. More important things than this on the horizon. |
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| I think Ray Rice should be held accountable just like any person who abuses someone. I know he isn't the only NFL player who is breaking the law. All professional athetes, celebrities, politicians, etc. should be held to the same standard as everyone else and face the same consequences. If there had not been a video of Rice hitting his girlfriend in the elevator, there wouldn't be such as uproar. I don't think men should hit women, but I also don't think women should hit men. She of course did him no harm.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | My point was that there is an assumption of guilt. I don't think Peterson killed his 2 yr old son. In other words, is it right that someone should be punished for an accusation? I haven't seen any photos of the kid. I know I had many ass tannings as a kid, and a lot of them left marks. I want to see photos and know more before I declare a man guilty and punish him before he has a chance to defend himself. |
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Location: The edge of no where | HotBear - I was inclined to agree with you in the beginning...but then I saw the pictures of the kid. I have absolutely no problem with spanking, but I have a huge problem with leaving bloody welts on a 4 yo. He's 4 for goodness sakes, the adult involved lost self control. The NFL needs cleaned up...it's nothing more than a bunch of thugs. |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-09-14 10:49 AM My point was that there is an assumption of guilt. I don't think Peterson killed his 2 yr old son. In other words, is it right that someone should be punished for an accusation? I haven't seen any photos of the kid. I know I had many ass tannings as a kid, and a lot of them left marks. I want to see photos and know more before I declare a man guilty and punish him before he has a chance to defend himself. The pictures are probably available online. I saw them on the news. There were several obvious marks with broken skin & looked like dried blood. Those were just the ones on the area of the body that could be shown. He has taken full responsibility for this already.
He did not kill his 2 year old son. That son was killed by abuse from the mother's boyfriend. I don't think he really had much of a relationship with that child because possibly he didn't know he even existed until the child was about a year and a half old or so.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | sodapop - 2014-09-14 10:48 AM
I think Ray Rice should be held accountable just like any person who abuses someone. I know he isn't the only NFL player who is breaking the law.  All professional athetes, celebrities, politicians, etc. should be held to the same standard as everyone else and face the same consequences.  If there had not been a video of Rice hitting his girlfriend in the elevator, there wouldn't be such as uproar.  I don't think men should hit women, but I also don't think women should hit men. She of course did him no harm.
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First, they punished him with a 2 game suspension. Then once the video got out he was suspended I definitely. Also, the woman hit him first, plus she went ahead and married the guy. Is his being banned indefinitely a proportionate punishment? What should the punishment be for a man who, say, b!tch slaps a woman for hitting him with a closed fist? |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | MS2011 - 2014-09-14 10:52 AM
HotBear - I was inclined to agree with you in the beginning...but then I saw the pictures of the kid. I have absolutely no problem with spanking, but I have a huge problem with leaving bloody welts on a 4 yo. He's 4 for goodness sakes, the adult involved lost self control. The NFL needs cleaned up...it's nothing more than a bunch of thugs.
I agree....so he has been convicted already.....why bother with trials? That's my point. Why doesn't this kind of standard apply to everyone....including politicians? |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-09-14 10:54 AM sodapop - 2014-09-14 10:48 AM I think Ray Rice should be held accountable just like any person who abuses someone. I know he isn't the only NFL player who is breaking the law. All professional athetes, celebrities, politicians, etc. should be held to the same standard as everyone else and face the same consequences. If there had not been a video of Rice hitting his girlfriend in the elevator, there wouldn't be such as uproar. I don't think men should hit women, but I also don't think women should hit men. She of course did him no harm.
First, they punished him with a 2 game suspension. Then once the video got out he was suspended I definitely. Also, the woman hit him first, plus she went ahead and married the guy. Is his being banned indefinitely a proportionate punishment? What should the punishment be for a man who, say, b!tch slaps a woman for hitting him with a closed fist?
Yes, she hit him first, but I don't think his hit back was self-defense. His life was not in danger. So the she started it arguement holds no weight here. Even though I don't think women should hit men either. I guess the police could have gotten her for hitting him as well on a much lesser charge.... I don't know, but he should not have hit her back. Heck even JayZ didn't hit Solange Knowles while she was hitting and kicking him in an elevator.
Why this woman went ahead and married this guy, I have no idea.
They are discussing on tv right now why some guys in the NFL are still getting to play after things they've done. Good points. If Ray Rice is out, then so should the others who have done similar things.
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Location: Where the stars at night are big and bright, TX | HotbearLVR - 2014-09-14 10:49 AM My point was that there is an assumption of guilt. I don't think Peterson killed his 2 yr old son. In other words, is it right that someone should be punished for an accusation? I haven't seen any photos of the kid. I know I had many ass tannings as a kid, and a lot of them left marks. I want to see photos and know more before I declare a man guilty and punish him before he has a chance to defend himself.
No he didn't kill his 2 yr. old he beat his 4 yr. old. He said he whipped him and caused the wounds. I don't equate his admission of that act to a giant leap of tried and convicted and assumption of guilt from the rest of us. He's removed from one damn game because he was out of town in jail the day before. Big deal. The world will keep turning.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | In the future I see the libs trying to outlaw football as they will find it too violent. |
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| Why is the focus in both theses cases on the NFL? IMO both these cases should be in front of the prosecutor. Both of the players broke the law. Why does everyone want Godell's head? Where the heck is the law enforcement? In the Rice case the wife would not file charges Ok but the prosecutor sure as heck can. In the Peterson case charges have rightly filed. IMO both of these guys need to serve time in jail for their actions. But why is it the job of the NFL commissioner to enforce the law. The NFL should suspend them both and leave it up to the courts. |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-09-14 10:57 AM MS2011 - 2014-09-14 10:52 AM HotBear - I was inclined to agree with you in the beginning...but then I saw the pictures of the kid. I have absolutely no problem with spanking, but I have a huge problem with leaving bloody welts on a 4 yo. He's 4 for goodness sakes, the adult involved lost self control. The NFL needs cleaned up...it's nothing more than a bunch of thugs. I agree....so he has been convicted already.....why bother with trials? That's my point. Why doesn't this kind of standard apply to everyone....including politicians?
I don't think Peterson has been convicted of anything yet. He was arrested and admitted to going overboard with this spanking.
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| geronabean - 2014-09-14 11:11 AM More kids need spankins. I won't disagree with you there, but this spankin' went too far in my opinion.
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Location: Texas | Do we need a reminder of Michael Vick?
Please don't assume that I'm condoning ANYTHING done by these players. I'm just saying, it's not the first time.
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| geronabean - 2014-09-14 11:11 AM
More kids need spankins.
I agree but in this case it went way beyond a spanking it IMO it was assault. Look at the pictures of the kid it was way beyond what any four year old deserved. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | jbhoot - 2014-09-14 11:08 AM Why is the focus in both theses cases on the NFL? IMO both these cases should be in front of the prosecutor. Both of the players broke the law. Why does everyone want Godell's head? Where the heck is the law enforcement? In the Rice case the wife would not file charges Ok but the prosecutor sure as heck can. In the Peterson case charges have rightly filed. IMO both of these guys need to serve time in jail for their actions. But why is it the job of the NFL commissioner to enforce the law. The NFL should suspend them both and leave it up to the courts.
Is it because we feel helpless as we have lost control of our government and we are lashing out and going to the extremes with people that we can hold accountable? I wish everyone would put this much effort into getting our country back.
The NFL is an employer and nothing more and I agree it's not their job to enforce the law.
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