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Location: Arkansas | Teeth are not problem...vet checks out just fine>? What am i missing?
http://youtu.be/680UbWAddvY
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Location: Arkansas | Sorry can't get the video to load.....  |
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 I Chore in Chucks
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Location: MD | is she burnt out?
have you looked into other vets to get a second opinion?
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Location: North Dakota | Load your video on youtube and paste in the link. I'm going to be the first to say the horse is sore.......even though you don't think there is any possible way! They don't come undone because they are vindictive or "human", provided you are riding the horse correctly.  |
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 The Worst Seller Ever
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Location: Oklahoma | I will tell you.. I had one. Did it any way you took him, countless vets, dollars, and nothing could fix him. No training, no drugs, nothing. I could baby him across the pen, but if you let him really run and try to clock, you were not getting to the 2nd, but 1st and 3rd were great! |
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Location: Arkansas | clover girl - 2014-09-18 3:09 PM
I will tell you.. I had one. Did it any way you took him, countless vets, dollars, and nothing could fix him. No training, no drugs, nothing. I could baby him across the pen, but if you let him really run and try to clock, you were not getting to the 2nd, but 1st and 3rd were great!Â
This is what this mare is doing exactly. She is 7 yrs. old, the last couple of years has been taken to maybe 8 shows a year, so i wouldn't think she's burnt out, but is worked several days a week and also trail ridden quiet a bit. Just had her chiro'ed....Also the once or twice i've managed to keep her from turning in front of the barrel when i pull to ask her to finish the turn on the 2nd she throws her head up in the air and pulls the opposite direction. She doesn't do this at home in our practice arena at any speed, that's why i don't think she's sore, only does it at a show. Thanks for the imput. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | moorehorses - 2014-09-18 3:34 PM clover girl - 2014-09-18 3:09 PM I will tell you.. I had one. Did it any way you took him, countless vets, dollars, and nothing could fix him. No training, no drugs, nothing. I could baby him across the pen, but if you let him really run and try to clock, you were not getting to the 2nd, but 1st and 3rd were great! This is what this mare is doing exactly. She is 7 yrs. old, the last couple of years has been taken to maybe 8 shows a year, so i wouldn't think she's burnt out, but is worked several days a week and also trail ridden quiet a bit. Just had her chiro'ed....Also the once or twice i've managed to keep her from turning in front of the barrel when i pull to ask her to finish the turn on the 2nd she throws her head up in the air and pulls the opposite direction. She doesn't do this at home in our practice arena at any speed, that's why i don't think she's sore, only does it at a show. Thanks for the imput.
I'm gonna have to agree with the above. If she's throwing her head in the air and pulling..she is trying to get away from something that is hurting. |
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 Good Grief!
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | from the way you describe...shes sore imo
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Location: Arkansas | I added the video
http://youtu.be/680UbWAddvY
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Location: Finally horseback again.... | I know you think that the mare isnt sore and her teeth are good, but from the video:
1. the mare is gapping her mouth and head in the air which usually indicates lower 11 ramps, upper 6 hooks and possibly a steep incisor angle
2. you are using both hands and not going to the horn in your turn so you appear to be behind her a bit when she is headed to the second, you may be unintentionally asking her to turn by trying to get yourself ready for the second turn
3. You appear that you are not very secure in your saddle from the second to the third and having a hard time staying down in the seat. Please dont think I am picking on you at all, I do it sometimes too, but this in itself can cause back pain on your horse along with the dental abnormalities I mentioned above.
It looks like you might be riding in a treeless, have you tried a treed saddle that might make you a little more secure and keep her back from taking as much strain?
I would recommend getting really qualified dental care and a good lameness exam on her as well as saddle fit for you both.
Best of luck to you.
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Experienced Mouse Trapper
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Location: North Dakota | Ok , here goes....It looks to me like she wants to run away with you.....before she even gets around the first completely she's got that look in her eye.
A few suggestions, shorten your reins and your stirrups, and walk and trot the pattern more without getting her on the muscle, emphasize every part of the pattern not just the run. That means rate at point X, turn at point Y, transition at point Z and so on.
Is she a hot mess?? She sure looks big and strong enough to do whatever she wants to do with you.
Have someone else give her a whirl. She looks to me like she has your number. Sorry |
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Good Grief!
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | Canchasr1 - 2014-09-19 2:58 PM I know you think that the mare isnt sore and her teeth are good, but from the video:
1. the mare is gapping her mouth and head in the air which usually indicates lower 11 ramps, upper 6 hooks and possibly a steep incisor angle
2. you are using both hands and not going to the horn in your turn so you appear to be behind her a bit when she is headed to the second, you may be unintentionally asking her to turn by trying to get yourself ready for the second turn
3. You appear that you are not very secure in your saddle from the second to the third and having a hard time staying down in the seat. Please dont think I am picking on you at all, I do it sometimes too, but this in itself can cause back pain on your horse along with the dental abnormalities I mentioned above.
It looks like you might be riding in a treeless, have you tried a treed saddle that might make you a little more secure and keep her back from taking as much strain?
I would recommend getting really qualified dental care and a good lameness exam on her as well as saddle fit for you both.
Best of luck to you.
all of this......good advice CC1
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Location: WYOMING | You are leaning and pulling all over her face the second you leave the first barrel, first one direction then the next. She sure is confused and not at all confident on what you are asking.
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I just read the headlines
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| I mean this in the nicest way. It is not her. Something is bothering her coming off the first and the rest of the pattern is you. I myself am looking for an English instructor to help me with my riding after not riding in 15 years. Sometimes we just need reminders. |
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Elite Veteran
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Location: Arkansas | Canchasr1 - 2014-09-18 3:58 PM
I know you think that the mare isnt sore and her teeth are good, but from the video:
1. the mare is gapping her mouth and head in the air which usually indicates lower 11 ramps, upper 6 hooks and possibly a steep incisor angle
2. you are using both hands and not going to the horn in your turn so you appear to be behind her a bit when she is headed to the second, you may be unintentionally asking her to turn by trying to get yourself ready for the second turn
3. You appear that you are not very secure in your saddle from the second to the third and having a hard time staying down in the seat. Please dont think I am picking on you at all, I do it sometimes too, but this in itself can cause back pain on your horse along with the dental abnormalities I mentioned above.
It looks like you might be riding in a treeless, have you tried a treed saddle that might make you a little more secure and keep her back from taking as much strain? Â
I would recommend getting really qualified dental care and a good lameness exam on her as well as saddle fit for you both.
Best of luck to you.
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No offense taken as this is actually a friend riding her....we have both tried running her and even though i have had more success with her than she has, she has done this to both of us. Thanks for your insights.
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| I think you need to find friend who is a very good, experienced and quiet rider to try this mare for you. Your friend may be making the situation worse... she is trying to balance by using the horse's face, which is ticking her off and making her wonder wtf is going on up there. when you know a horse does XYZ on a pattern you tend to anticpate it even if you don't mean to, and without knowing it you end up "sitting" prior to second in anticipation and wham, she turns. could be pain, definitely, but she needs a solid, confident rider to hustle her thru and see what she does.
she does look like she wants to be naughty, but she isn't running, and thus has time to think about other things - like being naughty... |
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Location: Nashvegas | After watching the video I can see two big things. First, this horse is sore in her back end. She is sticking her toes and not gathering up from behind at all, even in straight lines. Second, is that the riders needs to quiet your hands/seat and legs. But I just saw where you said this isn't you....well, we need to see what she is doing with you. Your friend is not hleping this mare at all. She is all over the place and too rigid. This is a big reason this mare is acting this way in the video. Yes, she is being bad but some of that comes from rider error and not enough sloooow work as another posted mentioned. She needs softened up but she needs a soft confident rider for that. I would definitely get a vet to look at her, though.
eta - that this wasn't the poster riding, but moorehorses I meant everything before my edit. :) I do appreciate the courage it took to post on here and everything else I have said.
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Location: Arkansas | I totally agree cwgrl!!! Thank you.
Edited by moorehorses 2014-09-18 4:12 PM
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| I'd like to add another thought. You said she doesn't do this at home, but does it at the 2nd barrel going either direction. Could she be gate sour? You're fighting her from the back side of the 1st. I've seen a lot of horses that lack confidence that try to head back out the arena, and that's kind of what it looks like to me. |
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Good Grief!
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | how old is this horse and how broke is she
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