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Location: Arkansas | http://youtu.be/uOvI8C8IfSM
This is Friday night in a jr. cowhorse with my reins attached to the tiny o ring. I felt it was still too much for her. She was a little nervous until she started her run then she hunted the barrels and rated with just the word whoa at each barrel. I think the only problem is finishing our turns at each barrel. With over 100 riders we finished 23rd in 3D, it was a 4D show.
http://youtu.be/KFjzuSO50WY
This is Saturdays run, still a little nervous and very looky looky coming down the alley, but as soon as I asked her to run she was fine, she felt like she was hunting the barrels and again rated with just a word and let me move her over and around with this different bit I borrowed from a friend, it is the Goostree Simplicity with the chain in the middle smooth on the corners. With over 200 riders we finished 2 above the 4D winner, it was a 4D show.
Please critique, I am thinking about ordering her some THE calming cookies from Bob. I am already giving her the daily THE muscle mass with calm/focus, moody/mare & joint added. Still have appt. with vet this coming Friday too. THANKS
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| Â Biggest issue I see is she isn't finishing 1st or 2nd. She's running out if the turn too soon instead of taking that one more step. When she does it on 1st, it screws up your entry on 2nd. She can't run across the one because you are having to fight her to get her back over due to leaving 1st wide. Finish 1st and 2nd should fix itself. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I think she needs to be slowed down and work the barrel's slow, she needs to learn to rate better and she is not finishing her turns, she's running around the barrels almost the same speed that she is running them, theres not much rate so she cant finish her turns, I think that she needed a break and do something else for awhile, I can see that she's thinking about turning befor you get to that second barrel, and I think she will befor long.
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Location: Nashvegas | If this is the same mare as before, then she looks better with you aboard. You ride much quieter and steady...However, she still needs to be taught to place that inside foot under her and drive off her hind end. Like another poster said, she needs to learn to gather up and rate at the barrel. To do that you need to work on body control on and off the barrel pattern, provided she has no soreness issues. You ride her well, she just needs more slow work I think to teach her to finish and drive. Also suggest, really working on getting her to work of your legs....looks like she will be a nice mare once done. Good luck!! |
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Location: Arkansas | Thank you everyone. I really appreciate ur comments. Not sure whch drills i need to be doing to help her gather & finish. I do have Heather Smith's newest book & may send her video to tell me which drills i need to work on. Money is getting tight though. |
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| Â I'd do a lit of walking. I'd walk to my rate point, sit down, say whoa, stop, set, back up 2 steps, set. Once she relaxes, walk around the barrel twice. On the second time around, make her take a step over when you get to where she should be leaving the turn. Thus will make her over turn just a little but she will be better lines out for 2nd. Repeat on the 2nd. 3rd I'd only turn once since she's working it fine. For every one time going fast, I'd walk at least 15. |
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Location: Arkansas | SKM - 2014-09-28 11:52 AM
 I'd do a lit of walking. I'd walk to my rate point, sit down, say whoa, stop, set, back up 2 steps, set. Once she relaxes, walk around the barrel twice. On the second time around, make her take a step over when you get to where she should be leaving the turn. Thus will make her over turn just a little but she will be better lines out for 2nd. Repeat on the 2nd. 3rd I'd only turn once since she's working it fine. For every one time going fast, I'd walk at least 15.
Thank you so much. I really appreciate your help! 
BTW she works very nice off your feet, I just have to remember to use them.
Edited by moorehorses 2014-09-28 12:41 PM
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| Â The key to slow work is to mimic everything you would do in a run and to be consistent where you put the horse. |
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Location: Missouri | Wow! What a world of difference!!! You will have it together in no time! Congrats! Hope you enjoy her!  |
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Location: Phoenix | I think she looks fine, she just needs some jockeying. No offense, but you are just sitting there. She needs some help. Notice when you lift your hand and guide her to the next barrel--she finally finishes her turn. But she's finishing it a stride too late which means you need to be proactive and be lifting your hand and looking to the next barrel sooner. |
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Location: Arkansas | hammer_time - 2014-09-28 3:13 PM
 I think she looks fine, she just needs some jockeying.  No offense, but you are just sitting there.  She needs some help.  Notice when you lift your hand and guide her to the next barrel--she finally finishes her turn.  But she's finishing it a stride too late which means you need to be proactive and be lifting your hand and looking to the next barrel sooner. Â
Thank you. You are right! But I wasn't pulling because she had been throwing her head up & stepping away from the pull when you tried to finish a turn. So, that's why I wasn't being proactive. I found a good friend at the run who had a Goosetree Simplicity bit & we put it on her about an hour before her run & I made the Saturday run in it. She let me move her all over the pen & never once offered to throw her head. So gonna switch to this bit & you can bet at the next run I will be proactive. Thank you! 
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Location: Arkansas | SKM - 2014-09-28 11:52 AM
 I'd do a lit of walking. I'd walk to my rate point, sit down, say whoa, stop, set, back up 2 steps, set. Once she relaxes, walk around the barrel twice. On the second time around, make her take a step over when you get to where she should be leaving the turn. Thus will make her over turn just a little but she will be better lines out for 2nd. Repeat on the 2nd. 3rd I'd only turn once since she's working it fine. For every one time going fast, I'd walk at least 15.
Thank you. I've got 2 weeks to my next run, so I will be working on this. Great advice!! |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | I think everything looks great, I've seen much worse posted!!! It little thing You need to work on an it will all come together. Biggest issue I see is her not closing he turns and finishing the turn facing your next barrel people don't realize how much time that will cost you. It's all about the slow work. I like to walk it a few times an circle each barrel 3 times last time coming in closer. Same at a walk and trot. I focus more on forward motion rather then rate right away. When I start adding rate I usually just drop down one transition, like trot to the barrel and instead of stopping and backing up I just slow my seat down and walk, same with loping, I lope to my rate point and sit deep say whoa and break down into a nice trot- this will teach them to rate but keep forward motion. You want feet to keep moving throughout your turns. Lastly even at a walk start twisting your hips and guiding your hands an reins around keeping a little nose , always look at your next barrel maybe even use a little outside leg at the back side of barrel to get that pivot. (I do 360s at my pivot point leaving the wrong Side of the barrel) but that may be something a trainer can show you.
Just remember there's a 1000 ways to skin a sheep, find what works best and most importantly have fun!!! |
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Location: North Dakota | SKM - 2014-09-28 11:52 AM I'd do a lit of walking. I'd walk to my rate point, sit down, say whoa, stop, set, back up 2 steps, set. Once she relaxes, walk around the barrel twice. On the second time around, make her take a step over when you get to where she should be leaving the turn. Thus will make her over turn just a little but she will be better lines out for 2nd. Repeat on the 2nd. 3rd I'd only turn once since she's working it fine. For every one time going fast, I'd walk at least 15.
Excellent advice! The mare looks much better than the videos with your friend. She definitely needs to learn some respect, maybe even bitting her up for awhile with the simplicity and you practicing perfectly will help get you both on your way. IMO if you've only had her on the calming/moody mare stuff for a week, give it another week at least to see if it helps, before adding more stuff to the mix. You made a good deal I think! |
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Location: Nashvegas | As well as the other great advice you would received, I would work on speed control exercises off the barrels. Much like a reiner, when you are up and over her (like you are heading for the barrel) ask for controlled speed and then when you sit, put your legs on her ask her to rate, come back to you, get round and collected (much like you would at a barrel). Eventually, she will associate you sitting with collection and rate, then will want to do so at the barrel, or at least that is the hope. :) |
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Location: Oregon | If you watch your body in the videos you collapse your inside ribs which might be telling her to step out. I struggle with this and am just about ready to pull my hair out because I don't know why I do it. It seems silly, but everytime I see it on my vidoes I have made my horse step out away from the barrel. I am not critisizing, just pointing out something else to perhaps look at. |
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| hammer_time - 2014-09-28 3:13 PM
 I think she looks fine, she just needs some jockeying.  No offense, but you are just sitting there.  She needs some help.  Notice when you lift your hand and guide her to the next barrel--she finally finishes her turn.  But she's finishing it a stride too late which means you need to be proactive and be lifting your hand and looking to the next barrel sooner. Â
I completely agree with this. That is what also what I got from the vids. You rode one handed with a hand on the horn the entire run. She just needs a little more help is all. Try riding two handed guiding her all the way when u get to the barrel then sit down and go one hand on the horn asking her to turn. As you go around the barrel make sure your looking to your next barrel, this will help you and your horse finish your turns. Go to two hands after the turn to help guide her to the next barrel.
When your at home practicing; Walk thru it as if u were running it. Really overemphasize your Cues to your horse really sit down at your rate point at the barrel and say hey/whoa go to the horn, look around to the next barrel as your going around the barrel and really have her turn and finish every barrel perfectly. She looks great tho! Your doing a good job with her! |
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| hammer_time - 2014-09-28 3:13 PM
 I think she looks fine, she just needs some jockeying.  No offense, but you are just sitting there.  She needs some help.  Notice when you lift your hand and guide her to the next barrel--she finally finishes her turn.  But she's finishing it a stride too late which means you need to be proactive and be lifting your hand and looking to the next barrel sooner. Â
I agree and I also think your stirrups are too long. |
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Location: Arkansas | Thanks eveyone i am super excited to have her. At the same run as my videos her half brother placed in the 1D both days, and they are alot alike, even look alot alike. I ran in the 1D on my other mare Friday night, but i believe this mare has more potential and we feel more in sync than my little 14.2 powerhouse. I will be putting your suggestions to practice, practice, practice.....THANKS!!! |
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