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  Keeper of the King Snake
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Location: Dubach, LA | Over the course of 20 years, I've had 5 horses injected (hocks, feet, stifles, SI, shoulder) by 3 veternarians in 2 states. Without exception, those injections have required time off from work (varying from two to five days). My horses have been chiro'd by 2 vets turned chiro, 2 human chiros turned equine, and 1 layman that took a course. Without exception, those adjustments have required time off from work (varying from a day to three days). So what do you guys think about the vets and chiros that turn up at barrel races to inject and adjust and send you on your merry way to make a run? |
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Location: SE Louisiana | They sound like traveling snake oil salesmen. Unless they have a good rep that you know about, I'd not let them near your horses. |
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Nut Case Expert
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | Time off aside, I have an issue with injecting in a non-sterile enviornment. There is no way that places such as public wash racks in high traffic areas are an optimal place to be doing invasive procedures. |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | Injecting right before a run isn't really going to do much good. The steroids take a few days to get the inflammation out. Heck the horse might even be sore from the injection.... This is assuming they are injecting the typically used steroids and not something unethical...
I could see getting one done after the run as you are leaving so that someone won't have to travel to a clinic later. Ie saving themselves a trip. Still not my cup of tea unless I know the vet is good... I won't use just anyone to inject.
Fwiw, the trotters race the next day after joint injections. Not what I would do, but that's coming from a track vet so I assume it's true. |
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 Angel in a Sorrel Coat
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Location: In a happy place | I had a friend that had one injected at a barrel race in Abilene a few years back. It was a dirty mess. I don't know what kept him from getting an infection. She waited until after she ran to have him injected. Just don't think this is a good idea. |
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 Texas Tenderheart
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Location: Red Raiderland | I say no way, no how am I getting my horses injected at a show. I would do the chiro but not before I ran. It's like throwing money down the drain. They absolutely need days off, depending on the procedure, before going back to work. |
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| Sounds scary to me to have one injected at a race. I like to let them rest, though I know people that inject and keep on working and wonder why the horse gets worse. HMMMMMM |
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 Shelter Dog Lover
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| Unless it is an emergency, I don't let anyone but my vet touch my horse for invasive procedures like injections. I have used chiro's that say time off and others that say ride immediately. |
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 A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | No way would I be letting some vet that I dont know inject my horse at a barrel race, and I have only one Chiro that I will let adjust my horse at a race because I know him. |
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Keeper of the King Snake
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Location: Dubach, LA | I wondered if I was just old school and behind the times. The vet at the races I go to in Tx, Ar, and OK stays busy. He makes thousands a day injecting and chiropracting. Sometimes he has a line of horses 6 or 7 deep. He doesn't have a home clinic but a huge following at races. I. Just. Don't. Know. Edited to add: This thread is not a vet-bashing thread. I just question the knowledge base of the girls that use him. I spent some days close to his work area once and never saw any "big name" or "well-known" racers in his line. Just makes me go hmmmmm...
Edited by CanCan 2014-10-13 7:01 PM
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Sock Snob
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| I was just talking about injecting horses, they imject hocks and tell you no,riding for a few days. people get injected like in a knee they tell you nothing. Go figure. |
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 Total Germophobe
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Location: Montana | I've not heard of injecting at races, but we have a fairly well known equine chiro that comes to some of them. But I think it is more of a travel thing than anything else because we don't have many equine chiros on the area. So if someone has a horse that needs work and he is going to be at a barrel race, they can have that horse there with them as he travels to some of the smaller towns that have barrel races too. |
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 Damn Yankee
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | My general rule of thumb on the chiro at races is no.
But I do think there are some adjustments that can help. Think about yourself at the chiro. There are plenty of adjustments that take time to work and can hurt like heck. But there are also a few that you can get immediate relief from. Horses are the same.
As far as injections, joints, not a chance in hell. |
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 Dr. Ruth
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Location: Blissfully happy Giants fan!!! | I had a horse get injected at a race...but we were DONE with the weekend, she sat for 3 hours before I loaded up, and we were close to home. And then she had that whole week off. I knew the vet, was comfortable and he did it away from the show. I needed her done and instead of waiting a month to get her done, I could do it right there and give her time off and be better off time wise. No infection happened, nothing bad period.
On the chiro thing, this is a funny topic as my good friend is a vet that does chiro and acupuncture work. She is not that big of a fan of chiro during a show, HOWEVER, Texans think SO DIFFERENTLY than Californians and she has found that in order to build her client base she has to go to the big shows. But I think what she is doing is the best option. At ANHA, she saw my horses before I ran and did acupuncture on the ones that needed it. I got there two hours before I was going to saddle just so they could see her and then rest. And then she checked them throughout the weekend and before I went home. It isn't ideal and I MUCH prefer her to work on them at home and she does. But for her to build her base and prove herself, it seems the only way she is getting her foot in the door to show how good she is here in Texas.
California is a different story. The mindset is a complete 180-truly.
Edited by sassy&tessa 2014-10-14 8:08 AM
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Expert
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| Professional athletes give time off for themselves to have injections and chiro work. If they are hurting and need it but can't work rest into their schedule they normally inject and chiro anyway to ease the pain.
Ideally I want mine to rest but when that is not an option I'd rather them not be in pain.
Although I do feel for chiro adjustments to actually hold you need to get the muscles loosened up and out of trauma so they can actually "hold" the adjustment.
I don't really agree with adjusting or injecting at a show but when one hast to go one hast to go. |
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 I Chore in Chucks
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Location: MD | I kind of thought chiros/vets doing these sort of procedures at races was because so many people find out that horses are off the day of a race. I mean I don't know how many times I've ridden my horse day after day for me to take him into warm ups at a race and he's a little off, I love finding out somethings wrong that day! I've never had anyone besides people I know touch my horses and firmly believe in that, unless they are some amazing individual that I would otherwise never stand a chance getting an appointment with.
I had a horse strain his suspensory at a barrel race. Thankfully my chiro/ex vet was there with her magnawave machine. She adjusted him and magwaved him right there on the spot immediately following the race he hurt himself in.
I didn't know people would immediately race following any sort of body manipulation procedures or injections? some people are so darn desperate to make that run on their horse that they will do anything huh.
some people really grind my gears!
ETA: I've always been told to take the rest of the day off. Then resume working the next day with long and low exercises for 1-2 weeks. I've dealt with a few chiros and this has always been the same
Edited by Crowned Image 2014-10-14 10:47 AM
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Location: WI | I do what my vet tells me. Some have said run the next day, all the way to 2 weeks off. It really depends on how bad the horse was, where you are injecting, with what, how many you are doing at once, etc. |
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 Accident Prone
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | CanCan - 2014-10-13 6:47 PM I wondered if I was just old school and behind the times. The vet at the races I go to in Tx, Ar, and OK stays busy. He makes thousands a day injecting and chiropracting. Sometimes he has a line of horses 6 or 7 deep. He doesn't have a home clinic but a huge following at races. I. Just. Don't. Know. Edited to add: This thread is not a vet-bashing thread. I just question the knowledge base of the girls that use him. I spent some days close to his work area once and never saw any "big name" or "well-known" racers in his line. Just makes me go hmmmmm...
I know who you're talking about and will not use him. |
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 Lady Di
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Location: Oklahoma | SC Wrangler - 2014-10-13 5:51 PM
Time off aside, I have an issue with injecting in a non-sterile enviornment. There is no way that places such as public wash racks in high traffic areas are an optimal place to be doing invasive procedures.
This. ^^^^^ |
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Angel in a Sorrel Coat
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Location: In a happy place | Three 4 Luck - 2014-10-14 11:44 AM CanCan - 2014-10-13 6:47 PM I wondered if I was just old school and behind the times. The vet at the races I go to in Tx, Ar, and OK stays busy. He makes thousands a day injecting and chiropracting. Sometimes he has a line of horses 6 or 7 deep. He doesn't have a home clinic but a huge following at races. I. Just. Don't. Know. Edited to add: This thread is not a vet-bashing thread. I just question the knowledge base of the girls that use him. I spent some days close to his work area once and never saw any "big name" or "well-known" racers in his line. Just makes me go hmmmmm... I know who you're talking about and will not use him.
And I agree with Three 4 Luck. |
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