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Location: Somewhere around here | Back when I was younger all the fast and big girls trained their own horses and kinda had that pride of training their own amazing horse. These days though I'm seeing a lot more people just buying 1D horses and then thinking barrel racing is easy. Maybe it's just in my area but it irks me just a little. I am no means meaning to be putting down anyone who has bought a finished horse, I believe it's great for some! But are kids/young adults these days being taught that it's better to buy finished than to train your own? |
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Location: N Texas | I think a lot of it has to do with people nowadays wanting instant gratification. Everything is so instant now that people don't have the patience to put the work into a horse. Obviously there are still tons of people (myself included) that train their own. In my opinion, kids today aren't being taught how to wait. They want to win, and they want to win NOW. |
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Location: Central Texas | For me, I'm old and don't want to hit the ground anymore. The last young horse that I had hurt me very bad and destroyed my confidence. Now I will only buy older, solid, been there done that horses. For me it has nothing to do with instant gratification and everything to do with self preservation. |
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Location: Desert Land | GraciousLegacy - 2014-10-14 6:57 AM For me, I'm old and don't want to hit the ground anymore. The last young horse that I had hurt me very bad and destroyed my confidence. Now I will only buy older, solid, been there done that horses. For me it has nothing to do with instant gratification and everything to do with self preservation.
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Location: Idaho | Not everybody has the ability to train. Just like there are people out there who shouldnt be teachers, they just dont have the ability. Thats not to say people shouldnt learn horsemanship and be able to ride different styles of horses. I believe that there are three types of people out there. The trainers, the jockeys and the ones who can do both. Trainers love training horses and are good at it, but hate the competition setting. Jockeys love to compete but dont like the slowness of training. The combo of the two enjoy the process of making a horse from beginning to end. Barrel racing has really increased in size the last several years. I just think the amount of people who love to compete has just come to out number the people who train.... thats my opinion :) |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I'll be honest. If you know what your goal is (1D or WPRA) you are much cheaper in the long run to buy one that is already competitive. I will never (shouldn't say that lol) buy a young show horse again. I bought mine as a yearling. Trained him myself for all the ground work. Sent him off to be started this spring and he came back crippled. He was fairly cheap priced, but with what I have into him now, love-time-vet bills. I could have bought a $10-$15k already been there done that, and just had a trainer work with me on and off to learn the things I don't know. My husband wasn't thrilled as it was and so if this gelding doesn't come around, I don't see him letting me go out and buy a more expensive one. I would have been better off talking him into a finished one to start with. |
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Location: Desert Land | Why should it matter what people want to do? If they have the money and want to go buy a finished horse - why does it matter? I work full time and don't have time to camp out on and haul a young horse. Not to mention I am out of shape and not in the state of mind to train on one. I certainly don't have the money to go buy something high caliber, but I will go and buy something finished, solid, honest.
Not everybody has the timing, skill, finesse or experience to train a horse And if they would rather buy a finished horse than mess up a young horse with their lack of experience / skill - I think that's the way to go.
Our industry needs the people who want to spend the money on the finished horses - otherwise the trainers wouldn't be making $$. Most sure don't make that much money riding horses for clients.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I usually train my own. But then I sold out for health reasons and when I was able to ride again, had bad luck with my next 3 prospects. I was tired of sitting at home and came into money from a lawsuit settlement, so I bought a finished horse and have enjoyed the heck out of him, even with the soundness and other problems we've had. I'm also training a 4 year old I raised from a yearling and having a finished one is helping with that--less pressure to get her going and my other horse has reminded me of a lot of things I had forgotten about running and tuning, so I'm better prepared to do justice to my mare.
Everyone has a reason for what they do, and I'm thankful that there's a market for finished horses because I've personally benefitted from it. |
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| A long time ago we didn't have the ability to communicate or look up results and talk so easily. People used to not know where so and so got their horse from and what trainer helps or mentors them but now information is more readily available of everyone to find out and its harder to lie.
But who cares where they bought it. It takes a heck of a hand to keep any 1D horse at the pro level together. Yes some ppl are be sat on one thats been tuned and go and win but some can't keep that horse tuned and together for long periods of time. The ones that bought it AND keep it together kudos to you! Buy all you want! |
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Location: NE Texas | Honestly there are alot of different scenarios here that would hinder someone who is rodeoing or running barrels for a living from training their own horses. Number 1, it's time consuming and as competitive as things are today, trainers have to go through alot of colts to find that special one that can run at the upper most level and be successful....they are few and far between. You have to kiss alot of frogs, so to speak. Lots of well bred, high priced prospects bought and sold every year, and few of them are top of the 1D/rodeo horses when they are finished.
Secondly, sometimes it takes an army to raise a child. I have always trained my own horses, and still do, and here lately even have had some neat outside horses in for training. That being said, I have a colt who needs to be hauled to be seasoned more than I am able to go, so he will leave tomorrow to go for seasoning and hauling through the winter so that by spring he'll be ready to enter or we'll start paying futurity nominations in the next couple of months.
Training is hard, it's time consuming, and the reality of choosing a colt that goes on to make the level of horse that the "Pros" need is slim. They have found trainers they trust and who's style fits theirs so the transition is easy when they step on these horses themselves. Others do find horses and buy them and sometimes it's a good fit and sometimes it isn't.
Just alot variables to your questions.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Herbie - 2014-10-14 9:52 AM Honestly there are alot of different scenarios here that would hinder someone who is rodeoing or running barrels for a living from training their own horses. Number 1, it's time consuming and as competitive as things are today, trainers have to go through alot of colts to find that special one that can run at the upper most level and be successful....they are few and far between. You have to kiss alot of frogs, so to speak. Lots of well bred, high priced prospects bought and sold every year, and few of them are top of the 1D/rodeo horses when they are finished.
Secondly, sometimes it takes an army to raise a child. I have always trained my own horses, and still do, and here lately even have had some neat outside horses in for training. That being said, I have a colt who needs to be hauled to be seasoned more than I am able to go, so he will leave tomorrow to go for seasoning and hauling through the winter so that by spring he'll be ready to enter or we'll start paying futurity nominations in the next couple of months.
Training is hard, it's time consuming, and the reality of choosing a colt that goes on to make the level of horse that the "Pros" need is slim to none. They have found trainers they trust and who's style fits theirs so the transition is easy when they step on these horses themselves. Others do find horses and buy them and sometimes it's a good fit and sometimes it isn't.
Just alot variables to your questions.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | I trained one in high school. We did pretty well. I struggled more after coming back to it after many years in college. I am not buying a finished horse but am having my young one trained. I feel out of the game so knowing that someone will help me bring her along right makes me feel much better. I'm sure there are similar feelings in people that buy. Plus its always great to have the market. Anyone who breeds or trains is happy of that. |
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| I think those that don't have the time or ability to train one only makes the industry stronger by buying them. That is what keeps the trainers in business. As far as what someone could or should do....just like everything else in life, we all need to keep our mind on our business and not what someone else is doing. I consider myself a bit of a trainer but I certainly buy horses too and then I do my uptomost best to keep them tuned myself....been happy doing both, had some success both ways and a little bit of disappointment both ways as well. |
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| I honestly think it is mostly about money. I think if you can afford a finished horse and have the riding ability buying something finished might be the way to go however, many people do not have the funds so they make due with what they can do. I train my own horses and always have but its only because Im broke lol I would love to but a finished horse but I have to buy what I can afford and hope they turn out after a few years. Yes I said years because unless you stay home all the time, working and training your own horses to seasoned, finished, and stay sound will take a lot of time.
With that said, however, ability is a very big factor because I have seen a lot of ppl especially in my area that attempt to train their own horses and really should just save their Christmas money up for a few years instead of ruining a good horse.
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Location: MD | to each their own.
I'm not a big fancy trainer, nor do I have to patience to develop and season horses. Any horse I buy from now on will be finished. I'd like to be aboard a horse that has the capabilities to get into the 1D/2D consistently. I just don't have the interest or desire to train young ones except for the ones I have now. I don't see why it would be a problem from any one persons point of view? there are too many variables with horses for me to want to start them young. I mean injuries, poor conformation that leads to problems in the future, maybe a horse just might not cut it to be a barrel horse because it goes crazy? I'd like to have a career, not spend most of my time investing into horses that just don't have it. Call me selfish or lazy but I just don't have it in me to put my blood, sweat and tears into a young one and would rather pay the price for someone that did have it for them.
If someone can develop them from the start and be successful well then, good for them. I'm jealous I don't that sort of drive anymore.
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Location: north dakota | Whether you train your own or buy one I think you still have to be a good rider to win or place in the 1d at bigger barrel races.
I'm sure glad there is a market for finished horses though. When I was pregnant I sent 2 horses to be patterned on the barrels and the one I bred I realized was going to be to good for what I have time for and was also more of a push style horse when I have ran free runners. She has proved me right and her new owner is placing in rodeos both up in my country and has recently pulled checks down in Oklahoma. I may not ever buy a finished horse but after sending those to to the trainer I won't ever hesitate to use her again. The other horse my 11 year old daughter just started riding and she's really having fun with her. I should add that it's a lot easier to teach her how to roll back, counter arc and learn how to control the body of the horse on a broke horse. |
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| TheOldGrayMare - 2014-10-14 9:26 AM
Why should it matter what people want to do? If they have the money and want to go buy a finished horse - why does it matter? I work full time and don't have time to camp out on and haul a young horse. Not to mention I am out of shape and not in the state of mind to train on one. I certainly don't have the money to go buy something high caliber, but I will go and buy something finished, solid, honest.
Not everybody has the timing, skill, finesse or experience to train a horse And if they would rather buy a finished horse than mess up a young horse with their lack of experience / skill - I think that's the way to go.
Our industry needs the people who want to spend the money on the finished horses - otherwise the trainers wouldn't be making $$. Most sure don't make that much money riding horses for clients.
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | i train all my own, i do the first ride and everything in between.......the good the bad and the ugly....i also have raised all my own....the one i did buy is pretty low and dirty so she will be with me til she dies as i would never sell her to anybody..............my goal is to rodeo again...but it takes a lot of patience and a lot of time.........and very humbling...lol
one big reason why i dont buy, is because i cant afford the 1D horses and i know how to ride and fix my screw ups..........lol
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| I agree with you. Anyone can buy a finished horse (with the right size checkbook of course) but if that person can give the animal the care it needs to win and spend the time to really "get with them" and keep them winning, thats admirable in my book. And like someone already said ...for those of us in the horse business we benifit from the "finished" horse buyers. |
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| I have no choice but to train my own, we raise our own. I can not afford a finished horse even though there are days I would love to just go make a run. I do enjoy the process but can't get out as much as needed. My daughter who is 15 has never had a finished horse, she rode an old rope horse, then moved on to a cutter who had never seen the barrels, then stepped on a mare we raised that hadn't done anything. I wanted to give up on that mare so many times but she has kept at her and finally she has a pretty nice horse, still slow on the barrels but a heck of a good pole horse. She now has a 4yr od who we did run in one futurity and she won her first buckle ever on her at a jr rodeo series. I keep telling her I she wants a finished horse I will do my best to find one but she always tells me she wants to make her own . So onward we go trying to get faster and better . I think you learn a lo from doing your own but totally understand that not everyone can or should and some people just want to be able to leg up and go run. |
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