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Location: Texas | Okay everyone, go like our new facebook page… A New Standard in Barrel Racing… https://www.facebook.com/pages/A-New-Standard-in-Barrel-Racing/54087...
Let's keep this ball rolling!
Several of us in the barrel racing community would like to extend a proposition to you regarding the implementation of a new "standard" in barrel racing patterns. After much discussion, we have concluded that it would be really beneficial to many barrel racers if we could implement more than one "standard" pattern size.
Here is the thought… Leave the WPRA standard pattern alone and call it "Pattern A", from there choose 3 or 4 additional pattern sizes to be used, dependent on the size of the venue where the barrel race will be held. We could call the NFR sized pattern "Pattern C" then come up with a pattern for "B" and "D". Perhaps the Ardmore or Oklahoma City arenas could be used to compute those particular pattern sizes. Then a list of the dimensions for each pattern would be on your website and producers could choose what pattern would fit their venue.
The producer would then stake the pattern according to what "standard" they choose.
The benefits of this type of standard will be felt across the barrel racing industry from Hawaii to Brazil. People all over the globe could use these standards to compare their runs with runs all over the country. It would be beneficial in closing the gap between horses who run in the Northern states vs the South. It would help, immensely, those who are purchasing horses out of state and help those that are marketing their horses as well. The really neat thing about this is that producers, all over the country, all over the world, will have a shot at seeing standard pattern records being set and broken. I'm sure that if we put our heads together on this deal, it could be something that would set the barrel racing world on fire. We could get a group together that would come up with a set of standards, work out any kinks that may arise, and it's clear sailing from there.
I truly hope that you will consider this proposition and please feel free to contact me for further assistance.
Thanks so much,
Joy Cameron
[email protected]
Edited by grinandbareit 2014-11-07 1:36 AM
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lol we have some pens here 11.2 wins |
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Location: Oklahoma | I would think you'd need a big organization (like BBR) to make it mandatory at their races in order to be sanctioned... then just pray that other people take it into effect. It would be a wonderful tool when trying to market horses!! I would be awesome to see how horses vary on their times when it's a smaller pattern vs. more opened up! |
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Location: Texas | vjls - 2014-11-05 3:20 PM
yur kidding right ?
lol we have some pens here 11.2 wins
No, I'm not kidding, lol. It may not fit EVERY pen, but it will fit most. And it will give people around the country a good idea of what they need to be to be able to compete at each level. I think it would be cool. And it wouldn't be more work either. Just look at what size arena you have and stake the pattern according to the standard that fits it.
It could work! Then, when people are selling and buying they would be able to look at the results and know what the horse is capable of. It would close up that North/South gap.
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Location: Texas | And it would be super beneficial to the D-system we have now. Lots of ads say 1d horse and people ask, where? New York or TX? Then it won't matter. You can just check times and what pattern they were using. The results could say at the top of the page what standard they were running on… A, B, etc…
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| It is an intriguing idea, especially for those buying or selling horses as for a comparison of times. However I think it would difficult to come up with those different standards and they hard to implement and keep track of what pattern was set up. |
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Location: Texas | Every rodeo you go to has to have the pattern posted. There are standards set in distance on the track and it is super beneficial to the racehorse industry, why not in the barrel pen. Like mentioned above, get the big producers and the wpra to get on board and it just becomes the norm when you sanction. I think people would love it. Unless it works against them when selling a horse.
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Location: Red Raiderland | I like the idea.  |
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Location: PNW | Sounds like a really neat idea! I definitely see the benefit in saying "oh, he runs a ______ on a B pattern". Right now, all I reference is a standard - which I MIGHT run on twice a year. Most pens in the northwest are 14 seconds or less. And my horse hates a standard. It would be nice to reference a pattern size rather than list his fastest time for each individual arena.
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Location: Texas | Exactly sv! I think it warrants a letter to some of the bigger producers and the WPRA. I think we could actually get something rolling on this.
Look how good the D system has been for barrel racing. That was way harder to implement than this would be.
Edited by grinandbareit 2014-11-05 5:02 PM
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Location: Washington | I think your going to want to leave out most of rodeo.
I think it could work for certain associations. BUT, (you knew I would have one) when you start saying the words World record your opening up a can a worms. When it comes to the record on the standard pattern it was run out here and there was a stink about it being different ground, different score....etc. Most indoor arena's have their dirt hauled in, if it's not the same dirt, times will show it. SO if a producer was going to do this I would think it would work if they held their shows at the same arena and could set a pattern and publish it.....also have a non participate measure and set the course.
For the record when I suggested this I was being a smart a ss, but if you want to try and get producers on board good luck. I think having the fast time of a rodeo and or show is the record for that day and that year and most feel that's good enough.
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Location: The South | That is a really cool idea! |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | The only organization I know of that has standard small patterns is the northwest gaming association. There may be others like that elsewhere. They run on the same size pattern no matter the size of the arena. If the arena is too small, they don't have shows there. The reason for this is they have standards based on the times run on the pattern so it needs to be the same all the time or the standards don't work.
They don't need to change the standard pattern. There are already allowances made for different size arena's. One of the greatest things about rodeo is the ability to change with the circumstances.  |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | I'd have to retire my gelding...he hates small pens and because of that so do I. He is a 1D-2D horse on a standard, put him on a pattern smaller and he won't run hard enough to scatter his own poop. |
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| Too many varibales like ground, how mqny in a drag, inside arena, outside arens, air temp and dampness of ground vs wetness. Deepness of ground. I could go one. Ifmthey put new ground in a arena. |
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| daisycake123 - 2014-11-05 5:55 PM
Too many varibales like ground, how mqny in a drag, inside arena, outside arens, air temp and dampness of ground vs wetness. Deepness of ground. I could go one. Ifmthey put new ground in a arena.
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Location: Texas | Come on guys… Let's look at the positives…
You're in the market for a nice 1d horse and so you start looking online… You find several ads that look like they are what you may need. You check results, you don't know who the competition is that they are running against, you don't know what size the pen is, etc…
Here is an example… Say someone says that they ran 1/10 faster than Hotshot at the jackpot - but they neglect to tell you that Hotshot fell turning the 2nd. Then they tell you that they consistently run in the 1d against people like so and so, but they don't tell you that so and so is on their new 3 yr old.
What this system does is give you a medium to go by. It doesn't matter who is there or how tough or easy the competition is… This helps to keep people honest. You can always look up the results, see what pattern they ran on and how close their time was. Even the standard pattern isn't that accurate if you want to get nit-picky. And as far as the rodeos go, leave them out. It's already hard enough to get those suckers to do anything for the barrel racers anyway. The big barrel races and the smaller producers could get this done. It would be easy if everyone could see the benefit of it.
There are plenty of people who would be against it too. Especially those that I mentioned above, because it would close some doors for them to be a little deceitful in their advertising. BUT, the fact is, more people look at 1d horses in the south than up North. You can get more money for a good 1d horse here than up there because down here they are known for running against lots of super tough horses. Just look at the last American… How great would it be to close that gap for those nice horses up North. Owners could sell them on their own without having to find someone to haul them down South, it would even the $ gap too… And believe me, that stuff happens quite often.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | daisycake123 - 2014-11-05 5:55 PM Too many varibales like ground, how mqny in a drag, inside arena, outside arens, air temp and dampness of ground vs wetness. Deepness of ground. I could go one. Ifmthey put new ground in a arena.
It would be no different than saying YOUR horse is a 4D, 3D, 2D, 1D etc ........at least it would be a "tad bit" more information for a comparison........ |
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| jbhoot - 2014-11-05 6:32 PM
daisycake123 - 2014-11-05 5:55 PM
Too many varibales like ground, how mqny in a drag, inside arena, outside arens, air temp and dampness of ground vs wetness. Deepness of ground. I could go one. Ifmthey put new ground in a arena.
Exactly!
Now we could actually see how these things affect different horses and arenas if they affect them at all. And you should realize in life most things arent 100% accurate and written in stone.
This would be a HUGE plus in the barrel racing world. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I think most of the big producers in Texas basically go off the same pattern for their shows so I think it would be easy to get some of them on board.
You would leave the standard pattern as is and would be pattern #1 or A. You then downsize from there. I can't see as this being to hard to implement as all producers mark their arenas and write down the dimensions.
I was told that NBHA pretty much uses the same size pattern for their Super Shows no matter what the size of the arena. I was told they do it so they can get x amount of horses through in x amount of time.
We have some big producers on this site so why don't we ask them their opinions and if they would go for it?
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