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Location: Texas | Please like our page… You can see updates and see who is on board as well as give your two cents to the producers. Let's show them that we support these changes! It is long overdue and will be a great tool for the barrel racing community!
https://www.facebook.com/pages/A-New-Standard-in-Barrel-Racing/54087...
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Location: Montana | I agree! I'm not on FB or I would like it...do you think you could get any of the big futurities on board? Like BFA, or FF, or VGBRA? They would put something like this over the top as well. I really don't know much big venues other than what is in my area, but I like the idea! So here's a thumbs up!  |
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Location: Keeping up with the numbers! | Here's a thumbs up Thank you for thinking outside of the box and taking the iniative!!! I can remember a time when folks argued about having a 4D system instead of a straight race. You have to be willing to look at the times and how we can be on the forefront of the industry. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I dont do Facebook but wanted to say sounds like a pretty good ideal, and I remember back in the days when the D's came into play, and there was so much neg about it how it would never work and so on and now its da bomb. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | We aren't changing anything....What an awesome tool and what it can be and expanded to in the future is pretty exciting. |
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Location: Texas | I think the secret to getting it implemented is going to be to just stay on top of it. Once we get the patterns worked out and posted we can start utilizing them. I will try to work on a website that will list the patterns, the fast times on each pattern, etc.
We will keep the facebook page active so people can post those nice runs and good times on there. They can also post as things are happening. How fun will it be to see all these records being set! Keep spreading the word and liking the page... I'm hoping to make this a reality by the first of the year! Thank you for all the support!
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I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Thanks for doing this! |
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| I certainly think this has some real possiblilities and as a producer would not be opposed to giving it a try. It would be great to actually be able to compare runs on some type of standard pattern. |
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Location: Texas | Cdunn - 2014-11-07 3:00 PM
I certainly think this has some real possiblilities and as a producer would not be opposed to giving it a try. It would be great to actually be able to compare runs on some type of standard pattern.
Thanks so much Chuck! I will be contacting you soon to pick your brain a little, lol. Joy |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Cdunn - 2014-11-07 3:00 PM I certainly think this has some real possiblilities and as a producer would not be opposed to giving it a try. It would be great to actually be able to compare runs on some type of standard pattern.
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Location: Mansfield, TX | I have been pondering this and thinking about it since yesterday. I understand the concept and LIKE it, but I do have a few reservations. Part of me is afraid it could actually backfire on selling a horse in a few situations. Please hear me out before flaming away, there is a soultion I just haven't been smart enough to come up with it yet. So everyone put your thinking hats on...
There is a small arena in my neck of the woods where the arena record is a 13.6,, alot of the pro's run there and that record has stood for years... A couple of years ago they added more dirt to make the ground safer and guess what? Now a smokin run in that pen is a 14.0 or 1...nothing else changed...the barrels are on the same stakes and the timers are in the same place,, but the times have been quite a bit slower. I personally saw a horse that is FLYING this year win the rodeo with a lower 14.2 or 3 the best I can remember...I remember saying to myself that the ground just wasn't as fast as it used to be. I think in the situation it might hurt it someone trying to sell their horse. In the past, arena's have usually always staked or lasered their pens according to their size, so this would be quite a departure from business as usual.
As all barrel racers will agree, the ground is the single most important factor in running barrels and something that all producers struggle with. I'm glad to see that Chuck Dunn is monitoring this thread. He is a ground guro and I value his opinion.
With that said, I'm certainly not opposed to trying something like this if I can get the arenas to re-laser their patterns according to the measurements that are agreed upon. That would have to be the deciding factor for Win$More. The lasers that are in place are so much more accurate (in my opinion) than using stakes. It's going to be an uphill battle for awhile, but it sounds like y'all are "up" for it.
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Location: Texas | Destry Fleming - 2014-11-07 6:41 PM
I have been pondering this and thinking about it since yesterday. I understand the concept and LIKE it, but I do have a few reservations. Part of me is afraid it could actually backfire on selling a horse in a few situations. Please hear me out before flaming away, there is a soultion I just haven't been smart enough to come up with it yet. So everyone put your thinking hats on...
There is a small arena in my neck of the woods where the arena record is a 13.6,, alot of the pro's run there and that record has stood for years... A couple of years ago they added more dirt to make the ground safer and guess what? Now a smokin run in that pen is a 14.0 or 1...nothing else changed...the barrels are on the same stakes and the timers are in the same place,, but the times have been quite a bit slower. I personally saw a horse that is FLYING this year win the rodeo with a lower 14.2 or 3 the best I can remember...I remember saying to myself that the ground just wasn't as fast as it used to be. I think in the situation it might hurt it someone trying to sell their horse. In the past, arena's have usually always staked or lasered their pens according to their size, so this would be quite a departure from business as usual.
As all barrel racers will agree, the ground is the single most important factor in running barrels and something that all producers struggle with. I'm glad to see that Chuck Dunn is monitoring this thread. He is a ground guro and I value his opinion.
With that said, I'm certainly not opposed to trying something like this if I can get the arenas to re-laser their patterns according to the measurements that are agreed upon. That would have to be the deciding factor for Win$More. The lasers that are in place are so much more accurate (in my opinion) than using stakes. It's going to be an uphill battle for awhile, but it sounds like y'all are "up" for it.
Well, I'm glad to see that it is on your mind, that means that the wheels are turning… I don't think that your concerns will cause any fires, lol. I think that most of us are willing to work together and try to compromise and come up with a system that can and will work for MOST venues and producers. That being said, I'd like to address some of your concerns.
As barrel racers we are all aware of the changes in ground conditions that can occur, even on a daily basis, such as at rodeos. We sometimes face those issues from one producer to the next when it comes to ground. Some like the ground a little deeper and some like it a little firmer. There will always be variables to consider. You mentioned a situation where a horse set a record and the ground was changed and so the times became a BIT slower… We have to remember that when we look at these results, we aren't just looking at one pen. Most people run their horses in a variety of venues so you will have an idea of what that horse averages on those patterns. Are they better in the small pens or the big pens? Some horses will kick your butt in a big pen but can't clock but a 3d time in a little pen. Well maybe the person that is looking to buy that horse runs mainly in the big pens… That horse would work great for them. And it gives people the ability to pinpoint what type of horse they are looking for.
And for us "Joe Blows" who just want to have fun with our horses (we make up the majority of barrel racers) it would give us some fun stuff to look at when we are competing at our local organizations. We can use these patterns and times to compare our runs with the rest of the country. And maybe it will give producers and rodeos committees some incentive to have better ground conditions when they begin to compare the runs at their event to other participating organizations. You will definitely have the option of opting out, but I don't know why you would want to. This sounds like a great opportunity to have some records set and broken at more than one of your productions. I'm sure that venues would be willing to move those lasers, if at all possible, to help out the barrel racing community. I for one, would love to see you hop on board! Thanks for the response, it is always good to hear opinions from those that share our passion for barrel racing! |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | grinandbareit - 2014-11-07 7:39 PM Destry Fleming - 2014-11-07 6:41 PM I have been pondering this and thinking about it since yesterday. I understand the concept and LIKE it, but I do have a few reservations. Part of me is afraid it could actually backfire on selling a horse in a few situations. Please hear me out before flaming away, there is a soultion I just haven't been smart enough to come up with it yet. So everyone put your thinking hats on...
There is a small arena in my neck of the woods where the arena record is a 13.6,, alot of the pro's run there and that record has stood for years... A couple of years ago they added more dirt to make the ground safer and guess what? Now a smokin run in that pen is a 14.0 or 1...nothing else changed...the barrels are on the same stakes and the timers are in the same place,, but the times have been quite a bit slower. I personally saw a horse that is FLYING this year win the rodeo with a lower 14.2 or 3 the best I can remember...I remember saying to myself that the ground just wasn't as fast as it used to be. I think in the situation it might hurt it someone trying to sell their horse. In the past, arena's have usually always staked or lasered their pens according to their size, so this would be quite a departure from business as usual.
As all barrel racers will agree, the ground is the single most important factor in running barrels and something that all producers struggle with. I'm glad to see that Chuck Dunn is monitoring this thread. He is a ground guro and I value his opinion.
With that said, I'm certainly not opposed to trying something like this if I can get the arenas to re-laser their patterns according to the measurements that are agreed upon. That would have to be the deciding factor for Win$More. The lasers that are in place are so much more accurate (in my opinion) than using stakes. It's going to be an uphill battle for awhile, but it sounds like y'all are "up" for it.
Well, I'm glad to see that it is on your mind, that means that the wheels are turning… I don't think that your concerns will cause any fires, lol. I think that most of us are willing to work together and try to compromise and come up with a system that can and will work for MOST venues and producers. That being said, I'd like to address some of your concerns. As barrel racers we are all aware of the changes in ground conditions that can occur, even on a daily basis, such as at rodeos. We sometimes face those issues from one producer to the next when it comes to ground. Some like the ground a little deeper and some like it a little firmer. There will always be variables to consider. You mentioned a situation where a horse set a record and the ground was changed and so the times became a BIT slower… We have to remember that when we look at these results, we aren't just looking at one pen. Most people run their horses in a variety of venues so you will have an idea of what that horse averages on those patterns. Are they better in the small pens or the big pens? Some horses will kick your butt in a big pen but can't clock but a 3d time in a little pen. Well maybe the person that is looking to buy that horse runs mainly in the big pens… That horse would work great for them. And it gives people the ability to pinpoint what type of horse they are looking for. And for us "Joe Blows" who just want to have fun with our horses (we make up the majority of barrel racers ) it would give us some fun stuff to look at when we are competing at our local organizations. We can use these patterns and times to compare our runs with the rest of the country. And maybe it will give producers and rodeos committees some incentive to have better ground conditions when they begin to compare the runs at their event to other participating organizations. You will definitely have the option of opting out, but I don't know why you would want to. This sounds like a great opportunity to have some records set and broken at more than one of your productions. I'm sure that venues would be willing to move those lasers, if at all possible, to help out the barrel racing community. I for one, would love to see you hop on board! Thanks for the response, it is always good to hear opinions from those that share our passion for barrel racing!
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We already have over 800 likes on the facebook page… Let's keep this bumped up and rolling so everyone has an opportunity to see where things are going and utilize the patterns once they are set and posted! Thank you for all the support, it is truly exciteing to see everyone come together for this!
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Location: Adopt a homeless pet - www.petfinder.com! | This is an intriguing idea. One thing I've always loved about running poles is being able to compare my times to the tops in the country, ground conditions taken into account, of course, but that is the ONLY variable.
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | Can somebody please post the summary of the facebook post??
This is why I hate facebook!! I click on the link and all I see are posts that say how they like it and all that... can't find what the original post is about. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Nita - 2014-11-08 8:42 PM Can somebody please post the summary of the facebook post?? This is why I hate facebook!! I click on the link and all I see are posts that say how they like it and all that... can't find what the original post is about.
You just needed to scroll down a little bit.
Several of us in the barrel racing community would like to extend a proposition to you regarding the implementation of a new "standard" in barrel racing patterns. After much discussion, we have concluded that it would be really beneficial to many barrel racers if we could implement more than one "standard" pattern size.
Here is the thought… Leave the WPRA standard p...attern alone and call it "Pattern A", from there choose 3 or 4 additional pattern sizes to be used, dependent on the size of the venue where the barrel race will be held. We could call the NFR sized pattern "Pattern C" then come up with a pattern for "B" and "D". Perhaps the Ardmore or Oklahoma City arenas could be used to compute those particular pattern sizes. Then a list of the dimensions for each pattern would be on your website and producers could choose what pattern would fit their venue.
The producer would then stake the pattern according to what "standard" they choose. The benefits of this type of standard will be felt across the barrel racing industry from Hawaii to Brazil. People all over the globe could use these standards to compare their runs with runs all over the country. It would be beneficial in closing the gap between horses who run in the Northern states vs the South. It would help, immensely, those who are purchasing horses out of state and help those that are marketing their horses as well. The really neat thing about this is that producers, all over the country, all over the world, will have a shot at seeing standard pattern records being set and broken. I'm sure that if we put our heads together on this deal, it could be something that would set the barrel racing world on fire. We could get a group together that would come up with a set of standards, work out any kinks that may arise, and it's clear sailing from there.
I truly hope that you will consider this proposition and please feel free to contact me for further assistance.
Thanks so much,
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | Thank you!!
...and I do like the concept.
I don't think ground condition will be as much of a concern as speculated. I think it will become "my horse runs ?.?? on a B pattern where the arena record is ?.??" People will be able to keep track of what arenas have faster ground. Plus, you can use the arena record as a gauge, too. Heck, it can't possibly stay the same every year at the NFR, they truck in that dirt and I'm sure it's not the same year to year. |
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