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Location: Gainesville, TX | My friends were given this horse as a rescue. He's a mess, ulcers and definite overwork. We think if he is treated right he could be nice again. His breeding is evident. I'm on my iPhone and can't post links but you can find him on allbreedpedigree under one natural minute. You can also search his name and see him on YouTube. Could anyone tell us more about him? |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | oija - 2014-11-12 6:33 PM My friends were given this horse as a rescue. He's a mess, ulcers and definite overwork. We think if he is treated right he could be nice again. His breeding is evident. I'm on my iPhone and can't post links but you can find him on allbreedpedigree under one natural minute. You can also search his name and see him on YouTube. Could anyone tell us more about him?
I know quite a bit about it, starting to be pretty good on what is considered popular. My friend has shown for years and years and I bought a prospect myself. He was injured before we got much done... |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Just to add I found out he has 47.5 show points and 4.5 halter. His dam has 161 halter and 532 show points. His sire had like 450 points. |
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Location: Midwest | He looks like he was very nice once. I bet with some time and a kind hand, he could make a nice mount. I don't know much about stock horse HUS, but from my unecducated pov his lope was really nice. He's very steady and has a solid trot.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | His breeding looks really proven. His dam's sire is a good one although a bit outdated now. You just don't see alot of Natural Irons that close (not a bad thing, but similar to having something out of a DFC daughter).
What are his issues? Ulcers are very common in show horses, most any horses actually, but show horses are rarely allowed to be HORSES and the constant stalling and hip in tight bunched up riding, wears on them. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-11-12 7:41 PM
oija - 2014-11-12 6:33 PM My friends were given this horse as a rescue. He's a mess, ulcers and definite overwork. We think if he is treated right he could be nice again. His breeding is evident. I'm on my iPhone and can't post links but you can find him on allbreedpedigree under one natural minute. You can also search his name and see him on YouTube. Could anyone tell us more about him?
I know quite a bit about it, starting to be pretty good on what is considered popular. My friend has shown for years and years and I bought a prospect myself. He was injured before we got much done...
Do you think you could watch the video, look at the pedigree and ask your friend. After I finally got his performance records I'm thinking he may have SERIOUS potential to the right home. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | He's off. I don't know how to describe it. He definitely was not fed well (ribby) and kicks at his belly, ears back if you touch his sides (the ulcers). He was at a university and they were riding him like 10 hours a day. They say on a scale of 0-100 he is about a 5 for navicular. I don't think that's his issue. He doesn't have kissing spine as they x-rayed that. I thought maybe EPM but he seems perky. He's not lame just moves funny. Maybe pssm?? It seems muscular to me. I think with rest and NOT being ridden 10 hours a day as a five year old he may come around. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | oija - 2014-11-12 6:44 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2014-11-12 7:41 PM oija - 2014-11-12 6:33 PM My friends were given this horse as a rescue. He's a mess, ulcers and definite overwork. We think if he is treated right he could be nice again. His breeding is evident. I'm on my iPhone and can't post links but you can find him on allbreedpedigree under one natural minute. You can also search his name and see him on YouTube. Could anyone tell us more about him? I know quite a bit about it, starting to be pretty good on what is considered popular. My friend has shown for years and years and I bought a prospect myself. He was injured before we got much done... Do you think you could watch the video, look at the pedigree and ask your friend. After I finally got his performance records I'm thinking he may have SERIOUS potential to the right home.
If he was totally sound, I would be interested in him. Mine has a ligament issue which is bad in a 3yr old. I watched the video, his head is unsteady and he isn't reaching as well as be possibly could, the top HUS need a lot of reach and really flat knees. He may have them, just not showing to his full potential. The rider is posting too high and forward so some of his issues could be rider caused. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | I unfortunately don't know a whole lot more. My friend is supposed to send me his medical records. But my friends run a rescue and had 11 horses dumped on them in the last week. They have a total of 44 now. This one seemed like one of the easier ones to help them place in a home if we knew more about him. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Navicular issues are also a HUGE issue with them, actually because most are 16.2-17 hands by the time they are 3 they have a ton of developmental issues. I waited until mine was 3 before having him lightly started, he cut his foot the day I picked him up and we had no idea he also stretched a ligament. So he went all summer trying to figure out what his deal was. He's a beauty and what they call a classical bay-no white. Loved by all HUS usually. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-11-12 7:53 PM
Navicular issues are also a HUGE issue with them, actually because most are 16.2-17 hands by the time they are 3 they have a ton of developmental issues. I waited until mine was 3 before having him lightly started, he cut his foot the day I picked him up and we had no idea he also stretched a ligament. So he went all summer trying to figure out what his deal was. He's a beauty and what they call a classical bay-no white. Loved by all HUS usually.
This boy is easily 17 hh + |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | The sep 2012 video shows a much better rider, trainer perhaps? He would only be 3 if he is a '09 and he is fancy in that one. Low head and steady eddie with his head set. I don't know, if you can have him 5 panel tested and checked out, he may make a super nice youth show horse if nothing else. He looks pretty darn finished in that 3yr old video. I imagine like our barrel futurity horses, he was used up young :( |
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Location: Kansas | The only video I could find was the green class from the 2012 Congress. He moved and worked very nice. The head set was lower than I like, but almost all headsets are lower than I like.
Kat always has nice horses.
What happened to him between then and now?
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Something happened. They investigated, X-rays and chiropractic. He ended up being given to a university equestrian team. Tax write off I assume. He was sound for a week but after being unfit and switching to 10 hours a day riding and multiple lunging sessions, whatever was bothering him (but was still sound) ended up manifesting in this off movement. Almost wobbly. If he is standing and you look at him head on he looks like he leans slightly left. He super tight up through his back muscles. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | oija - 2014-11-12 7:24 PM Something happened. They investigated, X-rays and chiropractic. He ended up being given to a university equestrian team. Tax write off I assume. He was sound for a week but after being unfit and switching to 10 hours a day riding and multiple lunging sessions, whatever was bothering him (but was still sound) ended up manifesting in this off movement. Almost wobbly. If he is standing and you look at him head on he looks like he leans slightly left. He super tight up through his back muscles.
could be so many things. Maybe do a dose of Orogin (sp?) through him for EPM. He may be holding his muscles tight to keep weight off something else. Mine was dragging hind toes, rested his hind end and had muscle atrophy in his butt, it was all caused by a left front ligament issue. Lunging is the worst thing for one that has an issue too, it puts such a tweak on everything, I am guilty as I was doing it with my horse too because he was bucking with my saddle (that was another issue-my saddle pinched). |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-11-12 8:30 PM
oija - 2014-11-12 7:24 PM Something happened. They investigated, X-rays and chiropractic. He ended up being given to a university equestrian team. Tax write off I assume. He was sound for a week but after being unfit and switching to 10 hours a day riding and multiple lunging sessions, whatever was bothering him (but was still sound) ended up manifesting in this off movement. Almost wobbly. If he is standing and you look at him head on he looks like he leans slightly left. He super tight up through his back muscles.
could be so many things. Maybe do a dose of Orogin (sp?) through him for EPM. He may be holding his muscles tight to keep weight off something else. Mine was dragging hind toes, rested his hind end and had muscle atrophy in his butt, it was all caused by a left front ligament issue. Lunging is the worst thing for one that has an issue too, it puts such a tweak on everything, I am guilty as I was doing it with my horse too because he was bucking with my saddle (that was another issue-my saddle pinched).
One of the first things I thought was EPM. I had a gelding with it who was off, dragged his hind toes and got lethargic. If you would brush your hand over his eye it would take him a really long time to blink. This horse isn't displaying those kind of symptoms. He acts like he has an all over body hurt but he's perky. Blinks his eyes, no dragging toes.
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Location: Kansas | If he was free he is definately worth taking some time with. I would vet check for obvious problems to figure out, and let him be just a horse, turn out 24 hrs or at least daily (with night stalling) for a couple of months then slowly start back. Then based on any issues work with vet, chiro, massage, etc.
If capable of maintaining physical and mental soundness he is worth the time, money and effort it will take,
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Sangria - 2014-11-12 8:46 PM
If he was free he is definately worth taking some time with. I would vet check for obvious problems to figure out, and let him be just a horse, turn out 24 hrs or at least daily (with night stalling) for a couple of months then slowly start back. Then based on any issues work with vet, chiro, massage, etc.
If capable of maintaining physical and mental soundness he is worth the time, money and effort it will take,
This is what I think too. He would be free to the right home. I'm not in any universe a HUS rider. But I hope that someone who is might see him as a project and if they were patient he might be really nice. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | if he is vetted, let me know his issues. I would be curious what x rays of his feet and ankles look like. Every vet I have talked to, said you can usually see by the shape of the spine if kissing spine is an issue. I only have 6 or 7 shows all year long in my area that I go to. about 1 month on average-2 or 3 days. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-11-12 9:01 PM
if he is vetted, let me know his issues. I would be curious what x rays of his feet and ankles look like. Every vet I have talked to, said you can usually see by the shape of the spine if kissing spine is an issue. I only have 6 or 7 shows all year long in my area that I go to. about 1 month on average-2 or 3 days.
We intend to have him vetted after he's not quite so reactive about the ulcers. We already have feet xrays which she is supposed to send me. I'll update as soon as I know. |
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