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Location: Ft Worth TX | You knew of someones horses that were with a "trainer" that talks very big game that is very abusive, and barely feeds enough to keep them in ok condition (they have no topline, ribby, but not emaciated) and you had a way to contact the owner of the horses- would you get in the middle? The owner is at the opposite end of the country and the trainer might ride once a week if your lucky and is a drunk. These are high dollar horses the owner thinks are futurity bound and no where near ridding. Some of the things this trainer has done make me feel like they need contacted- trying not to put to much detail out. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Saying something rarely turns out good for you, even if you have the best intentions. If it's a friend and you see the horse out somewhere you could snap a picture or send a video of how the horse is working. |
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I'm Over It!!
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| So how is it that you have this information? |
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| I absolutely would get involved. For the animal's sake. Or, try and get some pictures or video to send. You might even be able to find a way to do it anonymously as well. |
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  The Original Cyber Bartender
Location: Washington | Take your concerns to the trainer.... |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I would call them from a pay phone, muffle my voice and say, "go check on your horses today." |
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| That trainer probably gets more done in that one ride a week than most do in two weeks of riding. Are you consistently at the trainer's house to see what they feed?
There are a handful of guy futurity trainers that can be dog drunk and still put .3 tenths on the field! I remember I think at Jud Little's one time all the rodeo girls got mad and tried to have someone arrested because he was drunk in public and still cleaned house. WELLLL Jud's ain't public its private hahaha
Looking in sometimes things look a lot different than they really are.... |
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Location: Central Montana | If I was paying for a trainer to ride I'd be madder than h$ll if they were not getting the time I paid for and found out too late, after my $$$ was long gone. I've gotten to the point where I want it in a contract how many days my horse will be ridden in a 30 day period.
I guess it depends on if you know the owners or not on what to do. Take some photos and send them to them.......
I like LRQHS's idea too 
Edited by GoinJettin 2014-11-20 9:19 PM
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Location: The South | LRQHS - 2014-11-20 11:50 AM I would call them from a pay phone, muffle my voice and say, "go check on your horses today."
Do pay phones still exist?!?
Just think, the poor kids growing up in the future will never know the thrill of prank calling someone from a parking lot. *tear*
To the OP, unless it was my best best friend, I'd stay out of it. |
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 Georgia Peach
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Location: Georgia | astreakinchic - 2014-11-20 12:54 PM That trainer probably gets more done in that one ride a week than most do in two weeks of riding. Are you consistently at the trainer's house to see what they feed? There are a handful of guy futurity trainers that can be dog drunk and still put .3 tenths on the field! I remember I think at Jud Little's one time all the rodeo girls got mad and tried to have someone arrested because he was drunk in public and still cleaned house. WELLLL Jud's ain't public its private hahaha Looking in sometimes things look a lot different than they really are....
Im sorry what? Are you really defending a drunk who takes people's hard earned money? AND one that doesnt take proper care of other people's animals? I dont care what they can get "done" in one ride. If I am paying for my horse to be trained, that person better be on that horse every dang day possible. And a "trainer" better not ever be drunk and on my horse's back. That is inexcusable. To the OP, I would absolutely say something. If it was my horses, I would want to know. |
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Common Sense and then some
Location: So. California |
Is the owner a good friend or someone you know casually? Are the horses in immediate danger of serious injury or harm? Can you prove with 100% absolute certainty your allegations? |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Same something. Silence is not golden. Stand for something.jmo |
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| Runninbay - 2014-11-21 12:14 AM
astreakinchic - 2014-11-20 12:54 PM That trainer probably gets more done in that one ride a week than most do in two weeks of riding. Are you consistently at the trainer's house to see what they feed? There are a handful of guy futurity trainers that can be dog drunk and still put .3 tenths on the field! I remember I think at Jud Little's one time all the rodeo girls got mad and tried to have someone arrested because he was drunk in public and still cleaned house. WELLLL Jud's ain't public its private hahaha Looking in sometimes things look a lot different than they really are....
Im sorry what? Are you really defending a drunk who takes people's hard earned money? AND one that doesnt take proper care of other people's animals? I dont care what they can get "done" in one ride. If I am paying for my horse to be trained, that person better be on that horse every dang day possible. And a "trainer" better not ever be drunk and on my horse's back. That is inexcusable. To the OP, I would absolutely say something. If it was my horses, I would want to know.
Sigh...
Okay what I'm saying is that this trainer probably was seen with a beer. The horses probably look a little ribby for a number of reasons. People usually do not feed one up before sending to a trainer and then the stress of changing home and work ethic usually has them dropping the pounds at first until they get adjusted. Unless this lady works for the trainer and knows what he feeds, how often he rides, and exactly what happens on a daily basis she really does not have a clear picture. She is probably just seeing this person at a races or when hauling to an indoor and probably does not have an accurate picture of what is going on.
I don't know any successful futurity trainer that keeps them in the barn when they aren't going to turn out. Most want to move them down the road if they are gonna take time to come around. Their time is money and they don't won't to put time into ones they don't think are going to win and start win quick. They send them home rather than have the hassle of putting up with them. |
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Location: Central Texas | If I was fairly certain then I would absolutely have no problem letting the owners know of the possibility then they can do whatever they want with the information. If I was the owner I would want someone to tell me then I could follow up and make my own decision. I can't even imagine that someone thinks it's ok not to say something if there is a chance an animal is being abused or neglected and saying it is ok to take someone's money and not do the job you are getting paid for is theft in my books. I certainly understand most trainers are great and do their job but if there is one that isn't then they need to be called out on it. As for the drinking, that's a person's own business but if you're suppose to be riding/training a horse your being paid to ride and train, then drink on your own time, not on my horse's back. Saying that's ok is just crazy! If you don't want to tell them face to face, then make the anonymous phone call. I commend you for caring enough to even check it out. |
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 Wide Darn Open
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| Lots of bad things continue to happen because "good" people don't want to get involved. I'm not saying this case necessarily but just the whole mind set of " keep quiet it's none of your business" seems like a cop out to me by people who'd rather protect themselves from drama or inconvenience or whatever it may cause them to get involved than to help a person or animal.
I say if what you've seen bothers you, say something...then you'll feel like you at least did your part and you'll sleep better at night. |
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Elite Veteran
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| I would step in and say something. I'd have proof with pictures and video. I'd only state the facts that I knew. I would not make an speculations. The owner needs to investigate and decide what is best for the horse. You are the voice for the horse. I agree that you need to be 100% sure of the information that you are going to the owner with. -- No matter how flat a pancake is, there's always two sides! The same is true in any situation. There's always two sides to the story. |
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The Advice Guru
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| If it was my horse I would like to know, then I would go investigate myself.
If I found out the accusation was false or unsupported, I am still glad the individual contacted me. |
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Location: Never in one place long | I would say something, would you want your friend to say something if you were in her shoes? I'd think yes. You can do it annonymously or tell her politely but don't spread rumors to those not involved. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I would just let them know they might want to check in with their horses. Maybe get someone to drop in for them, ask for some videos. Anything beyond that will probably come back on you in an unpleasant way.
And I'm kinda shocked that riding once every week or 2 and being drunk at a competition is totally fine for some people. Unless that was part of the agreement (I know a lot of the bigger trainers have helpers that do most of the riding, but owners should KNOW this), it should not be happening. |
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Location: Kansas | astreakinchic - 2014-11-20 11:54 AM That trainer probably gets more done in that one ride a week than most do in two weeks of riding. Are you consistently at the trainer's house to see what they feed? There are a handful of guy futurity trainers that can be dog drunk and still put .3 tenths on the field! I remember I think at Jud Little's one time all the rodeo girls got mad and tried to have someone arrested because he was drunk in public and still cleaned house. WELLLL Jud's ain't public its private hahaha Looking in sometimes things look a lot different than they really are....
DA FUQ? |
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