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| If you have a horse vetted and it doesnt necessarily pass and you see the ad and the price has gone up and the ad says will pass vet check, do you just ignore it, or do you say something??
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| That one I would ignore, its buyer beware. Most vets wont pass or fail a horse . They just make recommendations based on a lot of different criteria. If someone else decides to buy the horse and take the sellers word, thats their problem. | |
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Location: Kansas | while it's messed up and crappy of the seller, I wouldn't say anything | |
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Location: Missouri | I've never heard of "pass" or "fail"? It's all so subjective... everyone has issues. It's more of can you deal with it or not.
So, I don't know what you could say? Or why? | |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | Here are my 2 cents on vet checks.
They are VERY subjective.
A couple years ago I had a 3 year old DTF daughter for sale.
I had a prospective buyer do a vet check on her.
Buyer was several states away from where I live, I am in SD so it was a long distance deal. Potential buyer
had a local equine vet come to my house and do the pre purchase exam.
It was February, so we had mud by day which freezes at night and has a tendency to make everything that's barefoot, a little sore. I told the potential buyer this, they claimed to understand.
Vet flexes the mare, she's 100% sound on all 4 legs on the flex test.
He hoof testers her, She was a little sore on her heels and toe on both front feet, which I figured she'd be, due to the freezing/thawing that time of year, no big deal.
Any other time of the year it would be a non issue and had she been shod, it would have been a non issue.
Vet xrays her, finds some "arthritic changes" in her left hock, she was starting to fuse. Front feet, ankles, knees, stifles, all clean. Again, flexed off sound.
Potential buyer was concerned about the heel pain on the hoof testers--all the mare needed was shoes.
The vet up here sent all of the info and xrays to the vet several states away, who advised the potential buyer to pass on the mare.
I ended up selling the mare a couple months later, for more money than I had advertised her for originally, disclosing everything I knew about her.
This buyer didn't even vet her because I told them everything and they'd bought another futurity horse from me before that they were really happy with.
So far this horse has made the finals at every big futurity she's been entered at this year (including Diamonds & Dirt), she's won one futurity and she's qualified for The American Finals. And she's never taken a lame step for her new owners.
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Location: The edge of no where | rockinas - 2014-11-21 11:24 AM Here are my 2 cents on vet checks.
They are VERY subjective.
A couple years ago I had a 3 year old DTF daughter for sale.
I had a prospective buyer do a vet check on her.
Buyer was several states away from where I live, I am in SD so it was a long distance deal. Potential buyer
had a local equine vet come to my house and do the pre purchase exam.
It was February, so we had mud by day which freezes at night and has a tendency to make everything that's barefoot, a little sore. I told the potential buyer this, they claimed to understand.
Vet flexes the mare, she's 100% sound on all 4 legs on the flex test.
He hoof testers her, She was a little sore on her heels and toe on both front feet, which I figured she'd be, due to the freezing/thawing that time of year, no big deal.
Any other time of the year it would be a non issue and had she been shod, it would have been a non issue.
Vet xrays her, finds some "arthritic changes" in her left hock, she was starting to fuse. Front feet, ankles, knees, stifles, all clean. Again, flexed off sound.
Potential buyer was concerned about the heel pain on the hoof testers--all the mare needed was shoes.
The vet up here sent all of the info and xrays to the vet several states away, who advised the potential buyer to pass on the mare.
I ended up selling the mare a couple months later, for more money than I had advertised her for originally, disclosing everything I knew about her.
This buyer didn't even vet her because I told them everything and they'd bought another futurity horse from me before that they were really happy with.
So far this horse has made the finals at every big futurity she's been entered at this year (including Diamonds & Dirt), she's won one futurity and she's qualified for The American Finals. And she's never taken a lame step for her new owners.
^^This!
It's so subjective. No horse will totally pass a vet check, it's just seeing if what they have is something you can live with.
I'd stay out of it.
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 Cute Little Imp
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Location: N Texas | Unless a close friend or family member is interested in said horse, I would not say anything. Buyers need to do their research.
My sister just sold a horse and had issues with the vet check. The buyer had come out and ridden the horse twice, the horse traveled 100% sound, and they decided they wanted to do a vet check. A week had passed between the last time they rode and when their vet came out. During that time, it rained and the horses were out acting stupid, and he apparently slipped in the mud and tweaked his front knee. He flexed sore on that leg and the vet didn't pass him. The vet couldn't say for sure if it was going to be an ongoing problem, or if it was temporary. The buyer decided they wanted to give him a week and see if he got better. So, a week later, my sister took him to her vet and he flexed completely sound. The buyer still wanted her vet to re-check him, so he did. The vet said that if this was the first time seeing the horse, he would have never questioned his soundness, and passed him with flying colors. So it was a very minor, temporary injury and they ended up buying him.
After the initial failed vet check, if that buyer had of gone and run her mouth and put the word out that my sister was trying to sell a lame horse, then that would have hurt her chances of selling him, even though it was very minor, and he did heal.
However, I don't know how you "get the word out" that it's being misrepresented.
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Cute Little Imp
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Location: N Texas | 3turns - 2014-11-21 10:41 AM
If you have a horse vetted and it doesnt necessarily pass and you see the ad and the price has gone up and the ad says will pass vet check, do you just ignore it, or do you say something??
I'm curious who you would say something to. I see comments all the time about people wanting to tattle about misrepresented horses, but how would you go about doing that? | |
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Location: Central Florida | Unless someone very close to you was buying the horse I would not say anything. | |
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Location: Texas | There are no pass or fail vet checks its basically what you as the buyer wants to decide once you have the vet check done and been told what the findings are. EVERY horse is going to have something come up in a vet check but again its the buyers decision to buy or pass on the horse. I would not say anything because what you may have passed on this horse for the next person may not have a problem with it. | |
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Meanest Teacher!!!
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Location: sunny california | I really think it depends on the issue and I disagree that there are no pass or fail results. while there might not be pass results there are fail results that are definite if the problem is bad enough. | |
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Location: Western performance horse Hades | Basically a "failed" vet check is that the person looking to buy the horse couldn't live with issues or potential issues the horse may have or had. Its really no reflection of the soundess or unsoundess of the horse. As a vets wife, I'm likely to let something slide more than others because I can pay cost to deal with them whereas someone else is going to pay a boat load in maintenance. | |
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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | MS2011 - 2014-11-21 11:28 AM rockinas - 2014-11-21 11:24 AM Here are my 2 cents on vet checks.
They are VERY subjective.
A couple years ago I had a 3 year old DTF daughter for sale.
I had a prospective buyer do a vet check on her.
Buyer was several states away from where I live, I am in SD so it was a long distance deal. Potential buyer
had a local equine vet come to my house and do the pre purchase exam.
It was February, so we had mud by day which freezes at night and has a tendency to make everything that's barefoot, a little sore. I told the potential buyer this, they claimed to understand.
Vet flexes the mare, she's 100% sound on all 4 legs on the flex test.
He hoof testers her, She was a little sore on her heels and toe on both front feet, which I figured she'd be, due to the freezing/thawing that time of year, no big deal.
Any other time of the year it would be a non issue and had she been shod, it would have been a non issue.
Vet xrays her, finds some "arthritic changes" in her left hock, she was starting to fuse. Front feet, ankles, knees, stifles, all clean. Again, flexed off sound.
Potential buyer was concerned about the heel pain on the hoof testers--all the mare needed was shoes.
The vet up here sent all of the info and xrays to the vet several states away, who advised the potential buyer to pass on the mare.
I ended up selling the mare a couple months later, for more money than I had advertised her for originally, disclosing everything I knew about her.
This buyer didn't even vet her because I told them everything and they'd bought another futurity horse from me before that they were really happy with.
So far this horse has made the finals at every big futurity she's been entered at this year (including Diamonds & Dirt), she's won one futurity and she's qualified for The American Finals. And she's never taken a lame step for her new owners.
^^This!
It's so subjective. No horse will totally pass a vet check, it's just seeing if what they have is something you can live with.
I'd stay out of it.
thats an interesting story. reminds me of a post i saw on FB today...Question: would you jump out of a plane with no parachute for $100,000? No? What if I then said the plane was on the ground? Point: you have to know all the facts before you make a decision :) | |
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| I am going to go against the grain here. I paid a lot of money earlier this year for one. My very first expensive, finished horse. Passed a vet check (flexed perfectly, only x-rayed a few areas due to flexes being great).
This horse has been a nightmare - I won't go into details, but unrideable since the 2nd time I rode him. I am out a ton of money - really all my saved horse money that I worked blood, sweat and tears for :(
I really dug deep a few months into the nightmare (think Sherlock Holmes), because I did a lot of Googling BEFORE I bought him and nothing bad surfaced.
Turns out he had miserably failed a vet check the week before I looked at him...flexed 3/5 on three limbs. This potential buyer felt horrible for me.
I did not pull a blood test at vet check, I imagine if I would have I could've saved a ton of money, a lot of heartache, and a huge strain on my marriage!
I did more than due diligence before buying and I still got royally burned and cheated. So Buyer Beware did not work out for me. I wish so badly that there was a "pipeline" or rip-off report for lying, cheating sellers. I don't know how you could spread the word, but if it was a big issue at YOUR vet check, I hope you try...
I know at one point, there was a post on here similar to this, OP said horse was listed on this site. So I pm'd to ask the name, and OP gave it to me. I though that was practical and respectful. She didn't slam the seller publicly, but if you were interested in the info, you got it.
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Best of the Badlands
Location: You never know where I will show up...... | CrossCreek - 2014-11-21 7:56 PM thats an interesting story. reminds me of a post i saw on FB today...Question: would you jump out of a plane with no parachute for $100,000? No? What if I then said the plane was on the ground? Point: you have to know all the facts before you make a decision :)
Exactly. And I don't blame the person that passed on her, for doing so if her vet said to do so. It would have been one thing to be able to come and see the mare and everything else but being that far away and having to go on a strange vet's word and a seller you've never met, would not be easy.
I am just glad that it all worked out for her new owners and they've won a bunch with her. I don't sell many started horses, so I'd have felt pretty rotten if it had gone the other way. | |
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| i bought a gelding that i knew had issues and wasn't sound. he was a nice gelding, but not sound. (old owners just decided they would keep running his legs off knowing he was hurting VERY bad) i bought him for a single digit amount, fixed him entirely. (which wasn't even that hard) and now everywhere i take him he is in the top 10. super nice 1d gelding. Had a super bad alley issue, cinchy, people would think he was crazy. but fixed him right up and now i let my 12 year old sister ride him. He was passed around so a lot of people know the horse but not a lot of people know he has NO issues anymore. so you never know if the buyer fixed his issues with the vet or whatever they may be!! | |
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| I know the frustration of wanting to say something, but I think it will only end badly for you.
There is a horse I know that is up for sale. He has broken the last 2 owners backs. After finally going to a vet they found out he has an old spinal injury that will pinch and cause him to buck. He is up for sale yet again and advertised as "safe and sound."  | |
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| I sold a prospect who had never taken a lame step. Vet check #1 he tested positive in a hock, very check #2 two weeks later and nothing. Vet stated he could have slipped that day creating that offness in round 1. That's how easy things can happen. Horse has never had hock issues and 10 years later. | |
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Location: Oregon | turnedout - 2014-11-21 10:29 PM I know the frustration of wanting to say something, but I think it will only end badly for you. There is a horse I know that is up for sale. He has broken the last 2 owners backs. After finally going to a vet they found out he has an old spinal injury that will pinch and cause him to buck. He is up for sale yet again and advertised as "safe and sound."
This is one thing that hits me hard. I was run over by someone elses horse and snapped my left ankle in half. Everything, bones, tendons and nerves. This horse had tried to do it in the past to others and the owner actually advertised this crazy mare as sound, bomb proof and calm. That is the last this pained crazy mare was. I hate liars. She should have put her down. But instead she sold her to some unsuspecting person.
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