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Location: Texas | I'm looking at the pozzi's and know my horse needs the standard size tree because we had him fitted, but I can't remember talking about gullet size. 6.5" sounds too small but the ones I see that say gullet size say 6.5" |
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Location: In my own little world | My Pozzi with the #10 tree has a 6 3/4" gullet. |
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Location: ND | There is no standard size tree. Every saddle maker has different trees that they use, most available in different gullet widths. |
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Location: Texas | SaraJean - 2014-11-26 12:08 AM There is no standard size tree. Every saddle maker has different trees that they use, most available in different gullet widths.
Double J has one they call their standard tree. |
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Location: The edge of no where | outrundaizy - 2014-11-25 11:25 PM I'm looking at the pozzi's and know my horse needs the standard size tree because we had him fitted, but I can't remember talking about gullet size. 6.5" sounds too small but the ones I see that say gullet size say 6.5" Did you have him fitted with a Double J tree?
It doesn't take a big gullet to fit a wider horse, changing the angle of the bars will work better. I see a ton of saddles for sale with a tope measure held to them measuring the gullet...but you CANNOT accurately measure the gullet of a tree once a saddle is built on it. YOu have to measure the raw tree. I think a lot of the gullet sizes being advertised on used saddles are wrong.
eta - I would bet the gullet in their standard tree is 6-1/2 or 6-3/4. That sounds correct.
Edited by MS2011 2014-11-26 8:25 AM
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Location: South MS | outrundaizy - 2014-11-25 11:25 PM I'm looking at the pozzi's and know my horse needs the standard size tree because we had him fitted, but I can't remember talking about gullet size. 6.5" sounds too small but the ones I see that say gullet size say 6.5"
I spoke with Double J yesterday
The 6.5" is the standard pozzi gullet - the angle of the bars makes it seem wider than that though
They also make a Pozzi narrow and wide and I think they vary by 1/4"
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Location: In my own little world | Lmichaels - 2014-11-26 8:29 AM outrundaizy - 2014-11-25 11:25 PM I'm looking at the pozzi's and know my horse needs the standard size tree because we had him fitted, but I can't remember talking about gullet size. 6.5" sounds too small but the ones I see that say gullet size say 6.5" I spoke with Double J yesterday
The 6.5" is the standard pozzi gullet - the angle of the bars makes it seem wider than that though
They also make a Pozzi narrow and wide and I think they vary by 1/4"
Yep, that's why mine is 6 3/4". |
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Location: Texas | I did have him fit with just the tree by double j and they liked the standard best on him. I just wasn't sure how the gullet related to the tree, thank you. |
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| MS2011 - 2014-11-26 8:24 AM outrundaizy - 2014-11-25 11:25 PM I'm looking at the pozzi's and know my horse needs the standard size tree because we had him fitted, but I can't remember talking about gullet size. 6.5" sounds too small but the ones I see that say gullet size say 6.5" Did you have him fitted with a Double J tree?
It doesn't take a big gullet to fit a wider horse, changing the angle of the bars will work better. I see a ton of saddles for sale with a tope measure held to them measuring the gullet...but you CANNOT accurately measure the gullet of a tree once a saddle is built on it. YOu have to measure the raw tree. I think a lot of the gullet sizes being advertised on used saddles are wrong. eta - I would bet the gullet in their standard tree is 6-1/2 or 6-3/4. That sounds correct.
Wayyyyyyyyyy too many people (including some saddle makers) get hung up on gullet width. The top of the wither isn't 9 or 10" broad.....It's mostly about bar angle. Not saying that no horse needs that wide a gullet, by any means......but if the bar angle is right for THAT horse, you don't need a super wide gullet.
It's 99% about the bar angle, NOT gullet width. And like she said, the gullet can NOT be accurately measured once the saddle is built. But when selling a saddle I always include a photo of the gullet "measurement" for people who don't know any different or insist that it's accurate.
And no, gullet width has zero to do with tree size.
Edited by luvinrunnin 2014-11-27 7:23 AM
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Location: The edge of no where | outrundaizy - 2014-11-27 12:08 AM I did have him fit with just the tree by double j and they liked the standard best on him. I just wasn't sure how the gullet related to the tree, thank you.
You're in great shape then. They've got so many really pretty ones, its gonna be tough to pick a design. I know the 6.5 sounds small after some of the saddle discussions on here, but it really isn't. Its a standard gullet. I bet you love your new saddle. |
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| luvinrunnin - 2014-11-27 7:21 AM
MS2011 - 2014-11-26 8:24 AM outrundaizy - 2014-11-25 11:25 PM I'm looking at the pozzi's and know my horse needs the standard size tree because we had him fitted, but I can't remember talking about gullet size. 6.5" sounds too small but the ones I see that say gullet size say 6.5" Did you have him fitted with a Double J tree?
It doesn't take a big gullet to fit a wider horse, changing the angle of the bars will work better. I see a ton of saddles for sale with a tope measure held to them measuring the gullet...but you CANNOT accurately measure the gullet of a tree once a saddle is built on it. YOu have to measure the raw tree. I think a lot of the gullet sizes being advertised on used saddles are wrong. eta - I would bet the gullet in their standard tree is 6-1/2 or 6-3/4. That sounds correct.
Wayyyyyyyyyy too many people (including some saddle makers) get hung up on gullet width. The top of the wither isn't 9 or 10" broad.....It's mostly about bar angle. Not saying that no horse needs that wide a gullet, by any means......but if the bar angle is right for THAT horse, you don't need a super wide gullet.
It's 99% about the bar angle, NOT gullet width. And like she said, the gullet can NOT be accurately measured once the saddle is built. But when selling a saddle I always include a photo of the gullet "measurement" for people who don't know any different or insist that it's accurate.
And no, gullet width has zero to do with tree size.
You are mosty right, but crown c or Martin's philosophy is different hence the wide gullet, as they place their saddles behind the shoulder near the widest part.
Most other saddle makers place the saddle on the wither, (placement of the rigging determines where the saddle should sit) and this is where the angle of the bars is more important then the gullet size.
Problem with the angle of the bars is there is not a standard measurement for this either. Double j measures one side of the bar so 42-45 I believe are their angles.
The Lisa Lockhart wide fit saddle is a 120 degree
To the op, it is best that you contact double j and speak to someone direct this way you are not getting any misinformation. |
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Location: Montana | Excellent question, outrundaizy, thanks for posting!  |
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Location: Arkansas | MS2011 - 2014-11-26 8:24 AM outrundaizy - 2014-11-25 11:25 PM I'm looking at the pozzi's and know my horse needs the standard size tree because we had him fitted, but I can't remember talking about gullet size. 6.5" sounds too small but the ones I see that say gullet size say 6.5" Did you have him fitted with a Double J tree?
It doesn't take a big gullet to fit a wider horse, changing the angle of the bars will work better. I see a ton of saddles for sale with a tope measure held to them measuring the gullet...but you CANNOT accurately measure the gullet of a tree once a saddle is built on it. YOu have to measure the raw tree. I think a lot of the gullet sizes being advertised on used saddles are wrong.
eta - I would bet the gullet in their standard tree is 6-1/2 or 6-3/4. That sounds correct.
You got it!! :-D... Gullet size is not all it's cracked up to be.. "It's all about the bars, bout the bars, NOT gullet, It's all about the bars, bout the bars, NOT gullet".. LOL.. Hey, I just wrote a hit song I think!! |
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Location: Montana | Ethel - 2014-11-27 10:54 PM MS2011 - 2014-11-26 8:24 AM outrundaizy - 2014-11-25 11:25 PM I'm looking at the pozzi's and know my horse needs the standard size tree because we had him fitted, but I can't remember talking about gullet size. 6.5" sounds too small but the ones I see that say gullet size say 6.5" Did you have him fitted with a Double J tree?
It doesn't take a big gullet to fit a wider horse, changing the angle of the bars will work better. I see a ton of saddles for sale with a tope measure held to them measuring the gullet...but you CANNOT accurately measure the gullet of a tree once a saddle is built on it. YOu have to measure the raw tree. I think a lot of the gullet sizes being advertised on used saddles are wrong.
eta - I would bet the gullet in their standard tree is 6-1/2 or 6-3/4. That sounds correct.
I even know what tune it goes to, LOL. |
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Location: Arkansas | mtcanchazer - 2014-11-28 10:44 AM Ethel - 2014-11-27 10:54 PM MS2011 - 2014-11-26 8:24 AM outrundaizy - 2014-11-25 11:25 PM I'm looking at the pozzi's and know my horse needs the standard size tree because we had him fitted, but I can't remember talking about gullet size. 6.5" sounds too small but the ones I see that say gullet size say 6.5" Did you have him fitted with a Double J tree?
It doesn't take a big gullet to fit a wider horse, changing the angle of the bars will work better. I see a ton of saddles for sale with a tope measure held to them measuring the gullet...but you CANNOT accurately measure the gullet of a tree once a saddle is built on it. YOu have to measure the raw tree. I think a lot of the gullet sizes being advertised on used saddles are wrong.
eta - I would bet the gullet in their standard tree is 6-1/2 or 6-3/4. That sounds correct.
LOL, I was hoping it was obvious! :-D But, there may be some people out there that have never heard the song.. They would have to be living under a rock though!! Too funny!!! |
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Location: The edge of no where | Ethel - 2014-11-28 11:43 AM mtcanchazer - 2014-11-28 10:44 AM Ethel - 2014-11-27 10:54 PM MS2011 - 2014-11-26 8:24 AM outrundaizy - 2014-11-25 11:25 PM I'm looking at the pozzi's and know my horse needs the standard size tree because we had him fitted, but I can't remember talking about gullet size. 6.5" sounds too small but the ones I see that say gullet size say 6.5" Did you have him fitted with a Double J tree?
It doesn't take a big gullet to fit a wider horse, changing the angle of the bars will work better. I see a ton of saddles for sale with a tope measure held to them measuring the gullet...but you CANNOT accurately measure the gullet of a tree once a saddle is built on it. YOu have to measure the raw tree. I think a lot of the gullet sizes being advertised on used saddles are wrong.
eta - I would bet the gullet in their standard tree is 6-1/2 or 6-3/4. That sounds correct.
Thanks a lot... it's now stuck in my head... BAHAHAHA! Kinda catchy and oh so true!!! |
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Location: Arkansas | MS2011 - 2014-11-28 2:55 PM Ethel - 2014-11-28 11:43 AM mtcanchazer - 2014-11-28 10:44 AM Ethel - 2014-11-27 10:54 PM MS2011 - 2014-11-26 8:24 AM outrundaizy - 2014-11-25 11:25 PM I'm looking at the pozzi's and know my horse needs the standard size tree because we had him fitted, but I can't remember talking about gullet size. 6.5" sounds too small but the ones I see that say gullet size say 6.5" Did you have him fitted with a Double J tree?
It doesn't take a big gullet to fit a wider horse, changing the angle of the bars will work better. I see a ton of saddles for sale with a tope measure held to them measuring the gullet...but you CANNOT accurately measure the gullet of a tree once a saddle is built on it. YOu have to measure the raw tree. I think a lot of the gullet sizes being advertised on used saddles are wrong.
eta - I would bet the gullet in their standard tree is 6-1/2 or 6-3/4. That sounds correct.
Sorry! It was stuck in my head last night when I typed that.. LOL Thought I would share that tune!! |
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Location: Arkansas | MS2011 - 2014-11-28 2:55 PM Ethel - 2014-11-28 11:43 AM mtcanchazer - 2014-11-28 10:44 AM Ethel - 2014-11-27 10:54 PM MS2011 - 2014-11-26 8:24 AM outrundaizy - 2014-11-25 11:25 PM I'm looking at the pozzi's and know my horse needs the standard size tree because we had him fitted, but I can't remember talking about gullet size. 6.5" sounds too small but the ones I see that say gullet size say 6.5" Did you have him fitted with a Double J tree?
It doesn't take a big gullet to fit a wider horse, changing the angle of the bars will work better. I see a ton of saddles for sale with a tope measure held to them measuring the gullet...but you CANNOT accurately measure the gullet of a tree once a saddle is built on it. YOu have to measure the raw tree. I think a lot of the gullet sizes being advertised on used saddles are wrong.
eta - I would bet the gullet in their standard tree is 6-1/2 or 6-3/4. That sounds correct.
Sorry! It was stuck in my head last night when I typed that.. Thought I would share that tune!! LOL |
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| So does Double J's "standard/regular" with the 6.5 gullet have the same angle/degree bars as the "wide" with 7 gullet? I was told by Double J today that the Standard Wide tree of the Pozzi Pro has 43* degree bars and the only difference between the two is the gullet size.
I am having an issue with my Pozzi Pro wide being too wide in the withers, but seems to fit ok through the back. I was told that it looked like I needed a regular/standard tree but when I had my mare fitted the bare standard tree they set on her looked too narrow (so I was told). |
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