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| Without going into a VERY long story. When I talked to AQHA about the lady who won't sign my foals breeding report AQHA said they would contact her regarding the consequences. I didn't think to ask at the time, but what are the consequences? I'm guessing she won't be able to breed anymore, but I don't know if she plans to anyway. Will she still be able to register horses? How long does she get this slap on the wrist for? |
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Location: Kansas | Is she a stallion owner? Did you pay your stud fee's, any mare care, and the shipment fees? |
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| She was the owner of the stallion and mare at the time of breeding. Bought the mare bred, had her sign the papers so I could register the foal. Said she submitted a breeding report. Tried to register the foal and there is no breeding report. Won't sign it now.
Now I know I should have checked to see if there was a breeding report. Hard lesson learned.
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Location: Kansas | cn1705 - 2014-12-09 1:56 PM She was the owner of the stallion and mare at the time of breeding. Bought the mare bred, had her sign the papers so I could register the foal. Said she submitted a breeding report. Tried to register the foal and there is no breeding report. Won't sign it now. Now I know I should have checked to see if there was a breeding report. Hard lesson learned.
what a witch! Can you register the foal based off of a DNA test? |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I honestly don't know...other than ask AQHA to help. Is it a case of maybe she doesn't have the money to submit the stallion report? Are you sure, both stallion and mare are registered in the woman's name? |
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| It sounds like AQHA is already taking care of it. The OP is just asking if anyone knows what kind of consequences she will have to deal with for refusing to sign. |
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| Yes they both were for sure. I offered to pay all the fee's. She just told me she sold the horse cheap in her divorce and clearly is still pissed about it. I didn't know though, I saw a good deal and took it. :( I even offered her money to help make up for it. Said she would think about it. My only other option is to try to find her husbands info and see if he can sign (horses are under both their names) AQHA said I don't need both signatures, but not sure how to find him...or what hes like... scared at this point. Shes hasn't been nice.
Can I do DNA? That would be amazing!!! |
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| WrapN3MN - 2014-12-09 2:08 PM
It sounds like AQHA is already taking care of it. The OP is just asking if anyone knows what kind of consequences she will have to deal with for refusing to sign.
Kind of hoping it will change her mind if she can't register horses... not getting my hopes up though |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | cn1705 - 2014-12-09 2:10 PM Yes they both were for sure. I offered to pay all the fee's. She just told me she sold the horse cheap in her divorce and clearly is still pissed about it. I didn't know though, I saw a good deal and took it. :( I even offered her money to help make up for it. Said she would think about it. My only other option is to try to find her husbands info and see if he can sign (horses are under both their names) AQHA said I don't need both signatures, but not sure how to find him...or what hes like... scared at this point. Shes hasn't been nice. Can I do DNA? That would be amazing!!! I called the ex wife when trying to register one and she was pissed. She didn't know the bred mare had sold at a rinky dink sale and was super pissed to find out how much I paid. So, I tracked the husband down and begged him. He was nicer than she was even though he told me that I basically stole the mare at the sale......which I knew. So, if he has the ability to sign, I'd be his new stalker.
eta: If you get a hold of him, I'd use the old "my kid wants to register the foal for 4-H" or some sappy story like that.
Edited by LRQHS 2014-12-09 2:18 PM
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | 3ToBurn - 2014-12-09 2:21 PM AQHA does not referee business dealings. The stallion owner is not required to file a stallion report on anything, there are no consequences for not filling a report. Your best bet is to be nice to the lady and try to sweet talk her, but from the sounds of it she sold the horse as is because she didn't want the headache then or now. If you paid grade price you probably bought a grade horse. This is why people should buy from reputable breeders, otherwise you never know what you are going to get.
This is no different than anything else in life, if you buy a cheap car from a company that is going out of business, it isn't going to do anything reporting them to the better business bureau.
If it were me, I count it as lesson learned and move on with life.
Orrr, hire someone to beat the crap out of her.
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| LRQHS - 2014-12-09 2:16 PM
cn1705 - 2014-12-09 2:10 PM Yes they both were for sure. I offered to pay all the fee's. She just told me she sold the horse cheap in her divorce and clearly is still pissed about it. I didn't know though, I saw a good deal and took it. :( I even offered her money to help make up for it. Said she would think about it. My only other option is to try to find her husbands info and see if he can sign (horses are under both their names) AQHA said I don't need both signatures, but not sure how to find him...or what hes like... scared at this point. Shes hasn't been nice. Can I do DNA? That would be amazing!!! I called the ex wife when trying to register one and she was pissed. She didn't know the bred mare had sold at a rinky dink sale and was super pissed to find out how much I paid. So, I tracked the husband down and begged him. He was nicer than she was even though he told me that I basically stole the mare at the sale......which I knew. So, if he has the ability to sign, I'd be his new stalker.
eta: If you get a hold of him, I'd use the old "my kid wants to register the foal for 4-H" or some sappy story like that.
"eta: If you get a hold of him, I'd use the old "my kid wants to register the foal for 4-H" or some sappy story like that." You are brilliant lol!
I do get why she is upset, but why screw someone else? Pretty sure everyone has had awful stuff happen, I don't get the point of being bitter to a stranger. It's not like I want to register the horse so I can sell her an make a profit. I bought the broodmare, foaled her out, sold her, and kept the foal for my new prospect. Its not the end of the world if I can't register her, but I REALLY would like too!
the foal is the cute little thing in my display pic. ;) |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | cn1705 - 2014-12-09 2:25 PM LRQHS - 2014-12-09 2:16 PM cn1705 - 2014-12-09 2:10 PM Yes they both were for sure. I offered to pay all the fee's. She just told me she sold the horse cheap in her divorce and clearly is still pissed about it. I didn't know though, I saw a good deal and took it. :( I even offered her money to help make up for it. Said she would think about it. My only other option is to try to find her husbands info and see if he can sign (horses are under both their names) AQHA said I don't need both signatures, but not sure how to find him...or what hes like... scared at this point. Shes hasn't been nice. Can I do DNA? That would be amazing!!! I called the ex wife when trying to register one and she was pissed. She didn't know the bred mare had sold at a rinky dink sale and was super pissed to find out how much I paid. So, I tracked the husband down and begged him. He was nicer than she was even though he told me that I basically stole the mare at the sale......which I knew. So, if he has the ability to sign, I'd be his new stalker.
eta: If you get a hold of him, I'd use the old "my kid wants to register the foal for 4-H" or some sappy story like that. "eta: If you get a hold of him, I'd use the old "my kid wants to register the foal for 4-H" or some sappy story like that." You are brilliant lol! I do get why she is upset, but why screw someone else? Pretty sure everyone has had awful stuff happen, I don't get the point of being bitter to a stranger. It's not like I want to register the horse so I can sell her an make a profit. I bought the broodmare, foaled her out, sold her, and kept the foal for my new prospect. Its not the end of the world if I can't register her, but I REALLY would like too! the foal is the cute little thing in my display pic. ; )
You want me to call her for you? Worst she can do is cuss me out and hang up. |
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Location: Mansfield, Tx | I think I would have to wait and see what the AQHA came back told me her response was and then asked them if you could just do an DNA test from that point.
That way you don't have to mess with anyone else...
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| LRQHS - 2014-12-09 2:27 PM
cn1705 - 2014-12-09 2:25 PM LRQHS - 2014-12-09 2:16 PM cn1705 - 2014-12-09 2:10 PM Yes they both were for sure. I offered to pay all the fee's. She just told me she sold the horse cheap in her divorce and clearly is still pissed about it. I didn't know though, I saw a good deal and took it. :( I even offered her money to help make up for it. Said she would think about it. My only other option is to try to find her husbands info and see if he can sign (horses are under both their names) AQHA said I don't need both signatures, but not sure how to find him...or what hes like... scared at this point. Shes hasn't been nice. Can I do DNA? That would be amazing!!! I called the ex wife when trying to register one and she was pissed. She didn't know the bred mare had sold at a rinky dink sale and was super pissed to find out how much I paid. So, I tracked the husband down and begged him. He was nicer than she was even though he told me that I basically stole the mare at the sale......which I knew. So, if he has the ability to sign, I'd be his new stalker.
eta: If you get a hold of him, I'd use the old "my kid wants to register the foal for 4-H" or some sappy story like that. "eta: If you get a hold of him, I'd use the old "my kid wants to register the foal for 4-H" or some sappy story like that." You are brilliant lol! I do get why she is upset, but why screw someone else? Pretty sure everyone has had awful stuff happen, I don't get the point of being bitter to a stranger. It's not like I want to register the horse so I can sell her an make a profit. I bought the broodmare, foaled her out, sold her, and kept the foal for my new prospect. Its not the end of the world if I can't register her, but I REALLY would like too! the foal is the cute little thing in my display pic. ; )
I'm waiting for her to call me back. If she's nasty again I'll send the phone number you way!! LOL! I'm going to try to find her ex husband too. Feel like I'm in a soap opera. My boyfriend who is not a horse person, does not get it. He thinks I'm the nuts one at this point because i care about getting a stupid paper signed about when horses "had sex" in his words. I guess I have to giggle because it really does sound silly. Cheers to having a grade horse! |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | With more information, I know someone that I'm pretty sure could find that ex-husband.......
You could send her a Christmas Card with a letter in it saying, "all I want for Christmas in my little horse registered :)"
Anyways, cheers!!
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Location: Kansas | Did you get the mares papers with the sale? I'm pretty positive as long as you know the sire's name and you have the mares papers you can have a DNA test done and if DNA comes back as the him being the sire, AQHA can request she sign the papers because there is proof.......if she won't comply AQHA could just register, but who knows how long that will take |
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| So the lady called back today. Said she would sign them for $200 dollars. Otherwise found her ex husbands contact info. I think I may just bite the bullet and pay the $200. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | It sounds like extortion, but if I wanted her registered bad enough, I'd do it. There's got to be a reason she wants/needs $200??? |
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Location: Bastrop, TX | A few years ago I bought an aqha mare with a paint colt on her side. Seller signed registration certificate and a transfer. He owned the mare and the stallion. Sent in reg certificate and transfer to paint horse association to get the papers on paint colt. Apha contacted me and said he never filed a stallion breeding report. I called him and he refused. Said he didnt have the money. I offered to pay and it wasnt even very expensive. The breeding report and late fee was cheap to me. I called apha back and they said they would take care of. They told me they would send him a certified letter, they would also ban him from future registrations, transfers etc if he didnt file it. He agreed and in a couple of months I had my colts papers. Best advice they gave me was when you buy go ahead and send the papers in so its on file that you tried to register the foals. That locks in the cost of the fees at the age you sent them in even if you dont get papers for several months. Secondly they said if dam and sire have dna on record you can request a dna kit for the foal. Get it on file. And apha will go after the stallion owner. Not sure aqha will do that. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | Unless things have changed, AQHA won't "go after them". For all AQHA knows, there could be a REASON the stallion owner isn't giving a breeding cert. Going "over the heads" of stallion owners could open them up to all kinds of problems with stallion owners. |
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