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Location: My own little world :) | Who would you choose and why? I bred my mare last year to Slick but thought I couldn't really afford to do it again this year so I went with Ima Firefighter because I liked him and he was reasonably priced. But I just got a discounted contract in the mail for Slick for being a possible repeat breeder. What do I do??? |
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Location: Kentucky | Tough call, I like them both.
Since you bred to SBD last year, I would try something different this year. But I like to experiment :) |
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Location: Arkansas | I would choose Ima Firefighter but I don't like OTMR horses so that is just my personal preference. |
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Location: Northeast SD | I'm surprised that they are sending discounts out considering ppl are concerned with the sale value with breeding so many.. Figured they would limit his book in 2015.. Either way I think either stud will produce great! Ima Firefighter is a neat little dude. Seen him run a few times.. very well mannered |
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Location: The Great West | Personally I'd breed to Slick. Ima Firefighter is smaller than I like, maybe 14.2-3 but it's been a long time since I've seen him in person. Slick has proven himself against the tougher competition and I think his foals will be worth more if you decide to sell. |
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| Zanadoo88 - 2014-12-12 3:49 AM
Who would you choose and why? I bred my mare last year to Slick but thought I couldn't really afford to do it again this year so I went with Ima Firefighter because I liked him and he was reasonably priced. But I just got a discounted contract in the mail for Slick for being a possible repeat breeder. What do I do???
If they made it so you can afford it, I would go with Slick. |
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Location: My own little world :) | That is what I thought! Why would they be offering discounts when there were so many mare bred to him last year? Do you think they probably aren't worth as much because of that? I want to breed for what I like first but I also like to keep in mind marketability.
I really like Slick and all that he has done. And from what I heard he is very level headed and well mannered and proven to boot. But I like Ima Firefighter also because it seems like they have done a lot with him and he has a good mind but I haven't seen him accomplish as much as Sick By Design. But could that just be circumstance? |
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Location: Slipping down the slope of old age. Boo hoo. | Slick By Design. |
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Location: Ainsworth, NE | Black Horse - 2014-12-12 2:46 PM
Personally I'd breed to Slick. Ima Firefighter is smaller than I like, maybe 14.2-3 but it's been a long time since I've seen him in person. Slick has proven himself against the tougher competition and I think his foals will be worth more if you decide to sell.
Ima Firefighter is 15 hands. We did the official measurement with a level across his withers and measuring stick. He is also close to 1200 lbs so he is a stout muscle machine!!!
I agree that Slick has accomplished a lot! But if we had sent Ima Firefighter off to be seriously campaigned by top riders, he may have been as successful. I chose to keep him with me because I wanted to be responsible for him and for me to improve as a barrel trainer , I needed to be training! Before purchasing him, I was the roper who occasionally ran barrels. But then I decided to really get into the horse business which is why we purchased him. I was pregnant during His futurity year - I did send him to be ran by someone but after one event, she broke her wrist (not riding him! On a colt). So I ran him at one futurity- hit a barrel the first round, but won the amateur and placed In The second round. But after that I was too pregnant to run at any more.
Because I loved to rope, the next year he was hauled to amateur rodeos so I could continue breakaway roping... The reason He isn't a big time money earner isn't because he isn't capable... It's because of the choices I made.
I love him and I know if I'd sent him off he would probably be more "famous" now, but I don't regret my decisions!!! His first three babies that I have ran have all won money (with me still learning...). And joy Wargo has one that will run this year and she is looking OUTSTANDING!!!
So, to summarize, I think both are good options... But if it was me, I'd pick Backdraft (ima firefighter)!!!!!
Edited by sonyawalz 2014-12-22 11:03 PM
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Location: SE Missouri | sonyawalz - 2014-12-22 10:57 PM Black Horse - 2014-12-12 2:46 PM Personally I'd breed to Slick. Ima Firefighter is smaller than I like, maybe 14.2-3 but it's been a long time since I've seen him in person. Slick has proven himself against the tougher competition and I think his foals will be worth more if you decide to sell. Ima Firefighter is 15 hands. We did the official measurement with a level across his withers and measuring stick. He is also close to 1200 lbs so he is a stout muscle machine!!! I agree that Slick has accomplished a lot! But if we had sent Ima Firefighter off to be seriously campaigned by top riders, he may have been as successful. I chose to keep him with me because I wanted to be responsible for him and for me to improve as a barrel trainer , I needed to be training! Before purchasing him, I was the roper who occasionally ran barrels. But then I decided to really get into the horse business which is why we purchased him. I was pregnant during His futurity year - I did send him to be ran by someone but after one event, she broke her wrist (not riding him! On a colt ). So I ran him at one futurity- hit a barrel the first round, but won the amateur and placed In The second round. But after that I was too pregnant to run at any more. Because I loved to rope, the next year he was hauled to amateur rodeos so I could continue breakaway roping... The reason He isn't a big time money earner isn't because he isn't capable... It's because of the choices I made. I love him and I know if I'd sent him off he would probably be more "famous" now, but I don't regret my decisions!!! His first three babies that I have ran have all won money (with me still learning... ). And joy Wargo has one that will run this year and she is looking OUTSTANDING!!! So, to summarize, I think both are good options... But if it was me, I'd pick Backdraft (ima firefighter )!!!!!
It's been a couple years since I spoke with Sonya and I didn't breed to Backdraft then BUT he is still at the top of my list. I absolutely loved visiting with her and appreciate how they use him for any and everything!. I have a racing winning Strawfly Special x Ronas Ryon that needs a date with him honestly. |
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| I honestly had 2 Ima Firefighters both are going to be kick but horses! I had great mares an I wanted color along with a good body! Firefighter has given all I wished for. I would stick with your gut instink cause it seems to be what you truly want! 
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| Unless your mare is a superstar or a superstar producer, Slick probably isn't the best choice. They bred SO many mares last year that they aren't going to have the value they should. |
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| I have seen a couple Ima Firefighter colts in competition, as the oldest colts have just gotten to competition age in the last couple years...they have all had a ton of ability, run, athleticism. Whole package!
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Location: Finally horseback again.... | Ive seen a few Ima Firefighter babies in person.
All I can say is I was very impressed.
very well built babies with lots of bone and great minds.
Personally, I dont really go for the "designer"breeding, I look for what works for everything. Roping, barrels, ranch work, kids, ect. Our horses have to be jack of all trades and in that aspect, I would go with Backdraft. |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | caboy61 - 2014-12-23 7:43 AM Unless your mare is a superstar or a superstar producer, Slick probably isn't the best choice. They bred SO many mares last year that they aren't going to have the value they should.
I understand your thinking but I doubt this is true. I know they are industry leaders with financial and win records to back their venture in to the breeding business. They will do everything they can to get the mares to him and create & promote value. I think it is respectable for them to offer a discounted fee for return mares, what a generous offer.
As far as sires, I think either are a good choice. |
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Location: Kentucky | sonyawalz - 2014-12-22 11:57 PM Black Horse - 2014-12-12 2:46 PM Personally I'd breed to Slick. Ima Firefighter is smaller than I like, maybe 14.2-3 but it's been a long time since I've seen him in person. Slick has proven himself against the tougher competition and I think his foals will be worth more if you decide to sell. Ima Firefighter is 15 hands. We did the official measurement with a level across his withers and measuring stick. He is also close to 1200 lbs so he is a stout muscle machine!!! I agree that Slick has accomplished a lot! But if we had sent Ima Firefighter off to be seriously campaigned by top riders, he may have been as successful. I chose to keep him with me because I wanted to be responsible for him and for me to improve as a barrel trainer , I needed to be training! Before purchasing him, I was the roper who occasionally ran barrels. But then I decided to really get into the horse business which is why we purchased him. I was pregnant during His futurity year - I did send him to be ran by someone but after one event, she broke her wrist (not riding him! On a colt ). So I ran him at one futurity- hit a barrel the first round, but won the amateur and placed In The second round. But after that I was too pregnant to run at any more. Because I loved to rope, the next year he was hauled to amateur rodeos so I could continue breakaway roping... The reason He isn't a big time money earner isn't because he isn't capable... It's because of the choices I made. I love him and I know if I'd sent him off he would probably be more "famous" now, but I don't regret my decisions!!! His first three babies that I have ran have all won money (with me still learning... ). And joy Wargo has one that will run this year and she is looking OUTSTANDING!!! So, to summarize, I think both are good options... But if it was me, I'd pick Backdraft (ima firefighter )!!!!!
I remember when you first got him, I knew he was nice then. I've enjoyed watching him succeed! |
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Location: Texas | I like Slick By Design. We bred last year but my mare didnt take, she had a late baby and then had a uterine infection so we decided to wait and rebreed.
I think it's kind of the thing to say that Slick had so many mares in foal so his babies will be cheaper.. I've heard it, I said it, but honestly.. I've already priced and have a buyer for my slick baby and it's not even conceived yet. So after that, I'm really not concerned.
Also wanted to add- I wouldn't think anything of the farm offering a discounted contract. That is pretty common for stallion owners to discount repeat customers, especially on young stallions who don't have competition aged babies yet. I think of it as a loyalty thing. I bred to First Down French, rebred the next year and got a little taken off for the repeat customer.. I thought it was nice and it sealed the deal for me to breed back to him.
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| Any time you breed a quality mare, you're going to have a market for the foal. The babies I see selling cheap by solid stallions are those out of female horses with nothing behind them.
Slick is a nice stallion and as long as you're breeding a quality mare, I wouldn't worry about the volume so much. |
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