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Location: MN | This is in relation to a post from last week about a farrier I had that took shoes off my horses feet, trimmed his feet and sole too much, my horses feet ended up getting warm (not hot), his wife, the vet, came out and gave him IV DMSO,then he put shoes and pads on that were 2 sizes too small!! I then had to call a different farrier to come and put bigger shoes on my horse so he had something under his heel. The shoes are still too small, but this farrier can't put a bigger one on yet, they have to grow out. Now my horse is walking ok, seems to have energy but doesn't want to trot yet. It was a 2 weeks ago Friday that he initially trimmed him, and a week ago Saturday, that the initial small shoes were put on, and a week ago today that the bigger shoes were put on. Should I be worried about the coffin bones having turned from the heat? If I get xrays, why should I be responsible for this? They must have liability ins. don't they? |
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Location: Here | Honestly, It would be nice if it truly is his fault, but in the real world. just find a new shoer and move on. Sucks, I know... Hugs. I am sorry your horse is going through this. I hope he feels better soon. |
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Location: God's country...aka TEXAS | Nope, you are just SOL. They don't have insurance. |
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Location: MN | SKM - 2014-12-16 7:13 AM
Does the horse have a digital pulse? Heat isn't as much of a concern as a digital pulse.
I guess I didn't check that, there are pads on the front right now, but I can check his back feet. The heat went away right away. I know someone said move on find a different Farrier, but how do you do that if the horse is possibly lame because of it? I may be blowing it out of proportion right now, but I had the horse 2 weeks, spent a lot of money for him , a lot!! and now I can't even ride him? Kinda hard to move on.... |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | You check the digital pulse at the fetlock joint...the back of the "wrist"...so pads are not in the way. |
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Location: Kansas | SG. - 2014-12-16 7:11 AM Honestly, It would be nice if it truly is his fault, but in the real world. just find a new shoer and move on. Sucks, I know... Hugs. I am sorry your horse is going through this. I hope he feels better soon.
unfortunately this is the truth. |
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| snoopy - 2014-12-16 6:32 AM
SKM - 2014-12-16 7:13 AM
Does the horse have a digital pulse? Heat isn't as much of a concern as a digital pulse.
I guess I didn't check that, there are pads on the front right now, but I can check his back feet. The heat went away right away. I know someone said move on find a different Farrier, but how do you do that if the horse is possibly lame because of it? I may be blowing it out of proportion right now, but I had the horse 2 weeks, spent a lot of money for him , a lot!! and now I can't even ride him? Kinda hard to move on....
It doesn't matter if they have pads on. You feel the digital pulse by wrapping your hand around the pastern with your fingers at the back. If you feel a pulse that's bad. That means the horse is trying to founder. That's when you worry about rotation. Digital pulses are almost impossible to feel in healthy horses. |
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Location: Florida.. | I do not feel the farrier that you used could be held liable.. how do you know if horse had issues prior to you buying 2 weeks ago.. that would be their arguement. |
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| You're out of luck. In my world, it means that, "I have fired yet another horse shoer."
Don't let anyone touch your horses feet that doesn't come heavily recommended by your area's top barrel racers. You want to find out who is being trusted to shoe those 75,000 dollar ponies.
When in doubt, find out what certifications and education he keeps himself going to. If they give you a blank stare, or puff up, or start listing all the reasons why they can shoe your horse blindfolded, calmly say, "Well, I believe in education, so unfortunately I've wasted your trip out. Here's $20 towards your fuel."
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Location: Online | Sounds like the track farrier that ruined the feet on one of my mares. He would put too small of shoes on her and when they took her off the track and turned her out he trimmed her too short. She severly bruised her coffin bones and they have some deterioration. Thanks to him, she is slightly rotated and has laminitis. In a nutshell, you're SOL as far as getting anything out of your farrier. Get your vet and a good farrier to try to turn your horse's feet back in the right direction. Depending on the amount of damage, it's going to take time. I'm going on 8 months just to get them grown out enough that they don't dish quite so bad and she hasn't been lame at all for 5 months. I probably have 6-8 more months of rehab to make them as right as they are going to be. Then the rest of her life to struggle to keep her sound. Good luck. |
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Location: The edge of no where | Just get a new farrier and move on. |
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Location: Missouri | snoopy - 2014-12-16 7:32 AM SKM - 2014-12-16 7:13 AM Does the horse have a digital pulse? Heat isn't as much of a concern as a digital pulse. I guess I didn't check that, there are pads on the front right now, but I can check his back feet. The heat went away right away. I know someone said move on find a different Farrier, but how do you do that if the horse is possibly lame because of it? I may be blowing it out of proportion right now, but I had the horse 2 weeks, spent a lot of money for him , a lot!! and now I can't even ride him? Kinda hard to move on....
Been there, done that, and 6 months of corrective shoeing after (wedge pads until her heel grew out enough to where she wasn't crippled!)
It stinks, I'm sorry for you!
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Location: Texas | Find a new one and move on.. I've been through a similar situation and once you find a forever farrier you will forget all about this. I would be more concerned that his wife is a vet and lets him shoe her clients horses. Find a new vet and farrier. |
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Location: Texas | TrailGirl - 2014-12-16 7:45 AM
You check the digital pulse at the fetlock joint...the back of the "wrist"...so pads are not in the way.
actually the "wrist" of a horse is their carpus or what we call the "knees" on the front leg. The fetlock is like the first joint in your hand where your finger comes off your palm, the metacarpophalangeal joint.
A trained person can usually pick up a faint digital pulse. A bounding digital pulse can be anything from hoof abscess to founder. No bueno. |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | casualdust07 - 2014-12-16 9:29 AM
TrailGirl - 2014-12-16 7:45 AM
You check the digital pulse at the fetlock joint...the back of the "wrist"...so pads are not in the way.
actually the "wrist" of a horse is their carpus or what we call the "knees" on the front leg. The fetlock is like the first joint in your hand where your finger comes off your palm, the metacarpophalangeal joint.
A trained person can usually pick up a faint digital pulse. A bounding digital pulse can be anything from hoof abscess to founder. No bueno.
Yes...I know that...I was helping the person understand as I can bet if you asked folks that have no idea how to take the digital pulse (seeing as she thought pads would prevent that)...they would see what I described as the "wrist"...true anatomy aside...it got the point across.
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Location: In a happy place | I agree with SG. and the rest. Nothing you can do. I sold a very nice gelding to my neighbors and had them bringing him back to get my farrier to shoe him. They found a cheaper farrier and used him once. After he put 2/3 size smaller shoes on him all he could do was lie down. I hope this doesn't happen to you but it took them a year before they could ride him again. And he was never really 100 per cent again.
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Location: Dubach, LA | You are. Sorry. Been there, done that to the tune of 2K. Three shoeing trips to the vet to meet farrier for pads and x-rays with two horses. Nowadays, I see red when one pulls out the knife.
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Location: MN | Thank you for the replies everyone! I can prove he wasn't lame before I bought him because there was an extensive vet check done on him before I bought him from a very reputable person on this sight. |
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Location: Here | classicpotatochip - 2014-12-16 8:13 AM You're out of luck. In my world, it means that, "I have fired yet another horse shoer." Don't let anyone touch your horses feet that doesn't come heavily recommended by your area's top barrel racers. You want to find out who is being trusted to shoe those 75,000 dollar ponies. When in doubt, find out what certifications and education he keeps himself going to. If they give you a blank stare, or puff up, or start listing all the reasons why they can shoe your horse blindfolded, calmly say, "Well, I believe in education, so unfortunately I've wasted your trip out. Here's $20 towards your fuel."
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