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| As the title states. I know we all have our "go to" drills. I'm looking for some ideas to change things up. I have a gelding I started that really hunts a barrel. Now it's just his 2nd he wants to drop his shoulder on. I do reverse arcs etc...just wanting some ideas and exercises that have worked for all of you :) |
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Location: Heart of Texas | I have a mare that does it on her first barrel. She's so bad she wants to plow right in to it. I've found that getting her more relaxed in the turn and really pushing PAST it, then asking for her to turn has really helped, but it's not really fixing anything. Its like it'll work for a little bit then we're back to square one. So I'm curious what others have to say.... |
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| /Streakin/ - 2014-12-30 3:18 PM As the title states. I know we all have our "go to" drills. I'm looking for some ideas to change things up. I have a gelding I started that really hunts a barrel. Now it's just his 2nd he wants to drop his shoulder on. I do reverse arcs etc...just wanting some ideas and exercises that have worked for all of you :)
don/t take this personally but when mine dropped a shoulder goinfg in it was usually me going to saddle horn to early or leaning
also the 6 barrel exercise josey hav a dia gram or the circle of barrel where you have barrels in a large circle
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Location: Alberta | Square exercises! If a horse is dropping his shoulder then his hind end and ribs are not engage and driving him forward! I'm not sure if your cueing him or what's going on but square exercises help to keep the rider aware of where all 4 feet are.....
http://www.conniecombs.com/DrilloftheMonth%5B1%5D.pdf
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| dream_chaser - 2014-12-30 3:08 PM
Square exercises! If a horse is dropping his shoulder then his hind end and ribs are not engage and driving him forward! I'm not sure if your cueing him or what's going on but square exercises help to keep the rider aware of where all 4 feet are.....
http://www.conniecombs.com/DrilloftheMonth%5B1%5D.pdf
That was my first thought, his hips are not engaged. Pay attention to the approach you are sending him in at and if he is keeping his hip under himself. You can do the square exercise and also when you rate back him up and move his hips in, really over exaggerate and back him until he is parallel to the barrel. |
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Location: Alberta | FlyingJT - 2014-12-30 2:21 PM dream_chaser - 2014-12-30 3:08 PM Square exercises! If a horse is dropping his shoulder then his hind end and ribs are not engage and driving him forward! I'm not sure if your cueing him or what's going on but square exercises help to keep the rider aware of where all 4 feet are.....
http://www.conniecombs.com/DrilloftheMonth%5B1%5D.pdf
That was my first thought, his hips are not engaged. Pay attention to the approach you are sending him in at and if he is keeping his hip under himself. You can do the square exercise and also when you rate back him up and move his hips in, really over exaggerate and back him until he is parallel to the barrel.
I'll add that if it takes a week or 2 of just walking the square exercises, do it....I think Ed Wright said you can't walk a pattern too much! But it also takes a month to create new habits, so.....
If you get them setting up right coming into a barrel you'll feel it!!! |
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| Thanks for all of the responses! I don't have a video but I will definitely make extra sure next ride it's not a subtle hint I'm giving him. I've never tried to 6 barrel exercise that sounds like something great to try! I have done the square exercise...maybe it's time to take it back down a notch. |
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| Actually...I have a video of his 3rd exhibition a few weeks ago. Will try to upload it |
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Location: White Mountains of AZ | /Streakin/ - 2014-12-30 3:00 PM
Actually...I have a video of his 3rd exhibition a few weeks ago. Will try to upload it
Please do!! |
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| Had same problem with my horse...took him to a chiropractor and his shoulder was out.
It could be something this simple.
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| Vet check. 9 times out of 10 when I have one that starts cheating it's sore...not wanting to stay on the hind end and trying to move weight...after you get everything checked and it's nothing wrong then I would start the drills. No horse "wants " to crash barrels...it's either pain or a learned response to the rider |
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| I agree with the vet/chiro check, dropping his shoulder is mine's way of telling me his shoulder is out.
I also have to really ride him HARD past the 2nd in arenas where the barrel is set closer to the wall or its a solid appearing wall. I can't go to my horn until I am positive we're past the barrel, when I go he goes.. |
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Without watching at least a FEW videos it just isn't possible to give an accurate answer. There are so many reasons that it can happen... you could be causing him to do it, he could be sore, he could just need a tune up. There are lots of variables as well... How old is the horse? How long ago did you start him on barrels? Can he make a correct barrel turn away from the barrels? Do you know what a correct barrel circle feels like when you're "riding on the flat" so to speak? That is just a few of the questions that need to be answered, lol. Maybe go to a reputable coach and get a little help before the situation escalates and you don't enjoy going on him anymore.
Good luck!
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| Whoa guys. 6 year old gelding....complete PPE 3 weeks ago. I've been riding him several months before I purchased him. Passed PPE w flying colors. I do think a chiro adjustment would be good. I'm not really having an issue he just tends to want to drop more than I like. I have my "go to" drills just wanting to see what others do. |
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| grinandbareit - 2014-12-30 9:22 PM
Without watching at least a FEW videos it just isn't possible to give an accurate answer. There are so many reasons that it can happen... you could be causing him to do it, he could be sore, he could just need a tune up. There are lots of variables as well... How old is the horse? How long ago did you start him on barrels? Can he make a correct barrel turn away from the barrels? Do you know what a correct barrel circle feels like when you're "riding on the flat" so to speak? That is just a few of the questions that need to be answered, lol. Maybe go to a reputable coach and get a little help before the situation escalates and you don't enjoy going on him anymore.
Good luck!
Yes the horse has a solid foundation. There are a few things that need work but he's fundamentally solid. He's had less than 60 days on him. Hauled and exhibitioned 3x. Like I said just looking for some drills not really wanting my videos critiqued and ripped apart. I'm friends w some awesome riders and trainers. If I have a question theyre there. If I have a problem I haul out there. 2014 world champion ;). Just wanting to change the routine up.JohnBoy 3rd exhibition: http://youtu.be/9CtxqbLa9mw |
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grinandbareit - 2014-12-30 9:22 PM
Without watching at least a FEW videos it just isn't possible to give an accurate answer. There are so many reasons that it can happen... you could be causing him to do it, he could be sore, he could just need a tune up. There are lots of variables as well... How old is the horse? How long ago did you start him on barrels? Can he make a correct barrel turn away from the barrels? Do you know what a correct barrel circle feels like when you're "riding on the flat" so to speak? That is just a few of the questions that need to be answered, lol. Maybe go to a reputable coach and get a little help before the situation escalates and you don't enjoy going on him anymore.
Good luck!
Yes the horse has a solid foundation. There are a few things that need work but he's fundamentally solid. He's had less than 60 days on him. Hauled and exhibitioned 3x. Like I said just looking for some drills not really wanting my videos critiqued and ripped apart. I'm friends w some awesome riders and trainers. If I have a question theyre there. If I have a problem I haul out there. 2014 world champion ; ). Just wanting to change the routine up.JohnBoy 3rd exhibition: http://youtu.be/9CtxqbLa9mw
I like him! I think he's going to be really nice. It looks like you ride him well... I think that he is a horse that just has a "drop" style at the barrel. In essence, he runs in there and drops a bit on the backside. Just make sure that you stay two-handed and ride him up a little further before you let him turn. If I were to do any exercises with him it would be to make sure he keeps his forward motion in the turns... and that you can do away from the barrels or with only one barrel. Just get him to collect up and stay fluid and round while loping around the barrel (or little barrel circle). Try to keep him moving and fluid for 3 or 4 tiny circles before you let him come out of it. That should help a lot!
Good luck with him, he looks good... and keep us posted!
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| grinandbareit - 2014-12-30 10:24 PM
/Streakin/ - 2014-12-30 9:40 PM
grinandbareit - 2014-12-30 9:22 PM
Without watching at least a FEW videos it just isn't possible to give an accurate answer. There are so many reasons that it can happen... you could be causing him to do it, he could be sore, he could just need a tune up. There are lots of variables as well... How old is the horse? How long ago did you start him on barrels? Can he make a correct barrel turn away from the barrels? Do you know what a correct barrel circle feels like when you're "riding on the flat" so to speak? That is just a few of the questions that need to be answered, lol. Maybe go to a reputable coach and get a little help before the situation escalates and you don't enjoy going on him anymore.
Good luck!
Yes the horse has a solid foundation. There are a few things that need work but he's fundamentally solid. He's had less than 60 days on him. Hauled and exhibitioned 3x. Like I said just looking for some drills not really wanting my videos critiqued and ripped apart. I'm friends w some awesome riders and trainers. If I have a question theyre there. If I have a problem I haul out there. 2014 world champion ; ). Just wanting to change the routine up.JohnBoy 3rd exhibition: http://youtu.be/9CtxqbLa9mw
I like him! I think he's going to be really nice. It looks like you ride him well... I think that he is a horse that just has a "drop" style at the barrel. In essence, he runs in there and drops a bit on the backside. Just make sure that you stay two-handed and ride him up a little further before you let him turn. If I were to do any exercises with him it would be to make sure he keeps his forward motion in the turns... and that you can do away from the barrels or with only one barrel. Just get him to collect up and stay fluid and round while loping around the barrel (or little barrel circle ). Try to keep him moving and fluid for 3 or 4 tiny circles before you let him come out of it. That should help a lot!
Good luck with him, he looks good... and keep us posted!
Thankyou! That makes sense. My last few have been free runners. I think he'll be different but I'm excited :) The more I think about it maybe I am anticipating some. Will definitely take your advice. I appreciate it! |
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| vjls - 2014-12-30 2:31 PM
/Streakin/ - 2014-12-30 3:18 PM As the title states. I know we all have our "go to" drills. I'm looking for some ideas to change things up. I have a gelding I started that really hunts a barrel. Now it's just his 2nd he wants to drop his shoulder on. I do reverse arcs etc...just wanting some ideas and exercises that have worked for all of you :)
don/t take this personally but when mine dropped a shoulder goinfg in it was usually me going to saddle horn to early or leaning
also the 6 barrel exercise josey hav a dia gram or the circle of barrel where you have barrels in a large circle
but i bet without see a video that you are giving him a suble hint
I agree. This is a rider issue. If you lean toward the barrel the horse is going to drop its shoulder. Practice pushing back on the saddle horn and keep your weight on your outside foot. Look to where you want the horse to go not at the barrel. I have been in the same place and it has taken some work on my part to fix it but I have. |
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| streakysox - 2014-12-30 11:17 PM vjls - 2014-12-30 2:31 PM /Streakin/ - 2014-12-30 3:18 PM As the title states. I know we all have our "go to" drills. I'm looking for some ideas to change things up. I have a gelding I started that really hunts a barrel. Now it's just his 2nd he wants to drop his shoulder on. I do reverse arcs etc...just wanting some ideas and exercises that have worked for all of you :) don/t take this personally but when mine dropped a shoulder goinfg in it was usually me going to saddle horn to early or leaning
also the 6 barrel exercise josey hav a dia gram or the circle of barrel where you have barrels in a large circle
but i bet without see a video that you are giving him a suble hint I agree. This is a rider issue. If you lean toward the barrel the horse is going to drop its shoulder. Practice pushing back on the saddle horn and keep your weight on your outside foot. Look to where you want the horse to go not at the barrel. I have been in the same place and it has taken some work on my part to fix it but I have.
Edited by /Streakin/ 2014-12-31 11:19 AM
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Location: MD | A lot of outside rein and inside leg.
by outside rein I mean, keep some contact and use the inside rein to bump. Inside leg at the girth, outside leg back shaping his body. |
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