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Location: WI | I'm looking at a horse for sale and was given these stats for all runs made last year. What D would you consider this horse to be? 1D runs are from classes with up to 200 entries.
42 total runs
tipped 4
1D 10
2D 14
3D 8
4D 3
slower 3
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I expected you to be asking how do you know when to call your horse a dink.  I would call that a 1d/2d horse that's not totally solid. He can get in there obviously, but he had some crappy runs mixed in for whatever reason. Seasoning, rider error, soreness, attitude, who knows? |
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Location: North Dakota | Where has his last 6-10 runs placed him?? I would consider him solid 2D with 1D potential |
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I Am a Snake Killer
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | I would say more of a 2d because it depends on who shows up to those 200 plus races. In this area we can easily draw 200 but the horses that normally win here are usually in the 2d or bottom of 1d at the 350-500 plus races. True 1d better be in there most of the time getting a 1d check ! |
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Location: MD | I'd call him a 2D, and make mention that he has been in the 1D and the circumstances so people know he has been there. It's clear he can be all over the board with those numbers so he's not a true 1D horse. IMO |
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| I have a question, did the horse pull checks or land just out of the money or near the cracks in the D's? |
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Location: WI | rowdy256 - 2015-01-14 12:34 PM I have a question, did the horse pull checks or land just out of the money or near the cracks in the D's?
Not sure how many checks, but here is the money won on the year:
1D 557
2D 469
3D 379
4D 45 |
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| Here is my take. Add up the number of runs that were not 1 or 2D. I counted 18. So nearly half of the horse's runs were slower than 1 or 2D. I would say that the horse is very inconsistent. To me a horse that runs in the 1D one out of every 4 runs is not a one D horse. I would want to know how much the horse has actually won in 1D or 2D. To me a consistent horse will win way more money than one that runs in the 1D twice a year. When it comes down to it, what you think is the most important thing. |
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| rowdy256 - 2015-01-14 1:34 PM
I have a question, did the horse pull checks or land just out of the money or near the cracks in the D's?
Ding Ding Ding....true 1D pulls a 1D check where ever they are unloaded out of the trailer. Most people advertise as 1d even if its a local show with 20 entries and the sucker didn't even pull a check just fell in the D. |
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| What were the circumstances of the 4D placings? I have a gelding I would consider pretty solid 2D material. He can run and win in the 1D locally. At larger shows (NBHA Supershows) he's the top or mid 2D. With a big trip or rider error we might hit the 3D, but rarely. Being in the 4D shows some inconsistency. JMO. |
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Location: The birthplace of Honest Abe | I would also ask what order they were ran, was he 4d at beginning of year and has moved up? Or does he flip flop. I would say 2d with 1d potential |
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| I'm having a hard time with the math. If he had 10 1D runs with 200 entries and only has $557 in 1D earnings, that isn't a whole lot of earnings. That tells me the horse had a hard time drawing 1D checks. I would like to see the break down of the money won at each race. Because if you have a true 1D horse that is drawing consistent checks at races with 200+ entries...your earning should be higher than $557. So with that in mind, I would consider thus horse a 1D/2D horse. |
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Location: Texas | the horse looks all over the place. Would like to know age and years of competing to understand it better. |
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Location: Oklahoma | 95% of the time the difference between a 1D run and a 2D run is the rider too ... at least thats always my problem :)
ETA- Spelling
Edited by Runnin < C > 2015-01-14 2:23 PM
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Location: MD | I have a horse that is a bit like this. For myself and with a Youth that ran her for us, the mare is solid 1D locally and has pulled top 2D checks at 500-800 head barrel races. She gears down and goes the speed that her owner is comfortable with when she is one her. You will definitely find runs where she has too slow for 3D money at World level shows, but I have videos and results to show the difference between her going out to make a run and her going in and keeping Mom on board.
I would consider the horse that you described with be either young, or possibly has a pattern issue, but with potential to make a solid 2D horse. |
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Location: Oklahoma | You also have to consdier outside forces, bad ground, trips, just not feeling well that day, how many days in a row they ran. If you are in the 1/2D 75% of the time, then you have a pretty good stick.
I am riding a mare that HATES barrel races and usually is in the 3D, but take her to a rodeo or a big race where the music is blaring, she will win it. If you look at her stats with me , we are 2/3D at barrel races and a rodeo horse. |
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Location: Online | Here's my take. If you are looking at a horse that runs 1D 100% of the time, it ain't gonna happen. This is what irritates me most about trying to sell a horse. I advertise a horse as 1D and the potential buyer looks at results and tells me it's no good because it placed in the 2D a couple times. It happens. I don't need their business anyway. The top NFR horses will run 1/2 second off the winning time. No horse is a true 1D horse, doesn't exist. Does it run 1D over 75% of the time? Then it's an extremely good horse. Does it run 2D and up 100% of the time? Then it's also a pretty nice horse.
Another thing, you need to ask yourself, what is his price? Is he priced as a 1D most of the time horse? Or a 2D, 3D horse that runs the occasional 1D? That should tell you how confident the seller is in the horse.
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| rodeomom13 - 2015-01-15 11:20 AM
Here's my take. If you are looking at a horse that runs 1D 100% of the time, it ain't gonna happen. This is what irritates me most about trying to sell a horse. I advertise a horse as 1D and the potential buyer looks at results and tells me it's no good because it placed in the 2D a couple times. It happens. I don't need their business anyway. The top NFR horses will run 1/2 second off the winning time. No horse is a true 1D horse, doesn't exist. Does it run 1D over 75% of the time? Then it's an extremely good horse. Does it run 2D and up 100% of the time? Then it's also a pretty nice horse.
Another thing, you need to ask yourself, what is his price? Is he priced as a 1D most of the time horse? Or a 2D, 3D horse that runs the occasional 1D? That should tell you how confident the seller is in the horse.
JMO
There are TRUE 1D horses out there that in capable hands will run 1D 100% of the time. But they come with that 6 figure price tag and a history of wins. If they get their run they will win a check. These horses also will put normal 1D (200-300 entry race) in the 2D.
These horses don't get put in novice hands most of the time. I understand for some people this is a hobby and its frustrating trying to sale and dealing with people. Some people have no clue what the definition of 1D is, how the rider factors in, or the horse's consistency. But with all that being said there are some bad cats that whenever they are unloaded out of a trailer you can bet on your 1D local NBHA winning or your regional rodeo association winning horse to be a 2D or 3D horse and you donating to the purse that day.
Edited by astreakinchic 2015-01-15 12:45 PM
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Location: WI | rodeomom13 - 2015-01-15 10:20 AM Here's my take. If you are looking at a horse that runs 1D 100% of the time, it ain't gonna happen. This is what irritates me most about trying to sell a horse. I advertise a horse as 1D and the potential buyer looks at results and tells me it's no good because it placed in the 2D a couple times. It happens. I don't need their business anyway. The top NFR horses will run 1/2 second off the winning time. No horse is a true 1D horse, doesn't exist. Does it run 1D over 75% of the time? Then it's an extremely good horse. Does it run 2D and up 100% of the time? Then it's also a pretty nice horse.
Another thing, you need to ask yourself, what is his price? Is he priced as a 1D most of the time horse? Or a 2D, 3D horse that runs the occasional 1D? That should tell you how confident the seller is in the horse.
JMO
They are asking $17k which I think is a fair price, the potential is there just needs some seasoning still. What do you think? |
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Location: Where I am happiest | linds - 2015-01-14 12:54 PM rowdy256 - 2015-01-14 12:34 PM I have a question, did the horse pull checks or land just out of the money or near the cracks in the D's? Not sure how many checks, but here is the money won on the year:
1D 557
2D 469
3D 379
4D 45
If the horse won $1500 for the entire year then he's running at small races. $17,000 is fair for a 2D horse at over 200 entries but not for 2D at 50 entries. Research the races the horse ran at. Which assoc. Have you rode the horse? What did you feel? Have you taken him to a race and tried him there? You get that horse to a bigger, 2 or 3day race and you will know EXACTLY what he is. |
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