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Location: Texas | RoaniePonie11 - 2015-01-19 10:26 PM
Thoughts on sending a horse to a dressage/ English trainer? I thought I had seen a post a while back from a lady who said she likes to send her colts for 30 days English riding after having them broke. I can't even remember what thread it was on. Anywho, thoughts?
If I had the money I'd send them to a well known dressage trainer. It might be tough finding a good one that would take a barrel prospect, but I don't know. |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | I agree that I would go with dressage as opposed to Hunter. Mainly because a dressage trainer will focus on keeping them moving forward while working on bending, etc. Some, not all, hunter trainers depending on where they show tend to not focus so much on forward movement and you really need to retain that in a barrel horse. |
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Location: Florida.. | Basic Dressage will put a great foundation on the horse.. suppleness, movement,muscle work, lateral work etc.. but you should have a few lessons as well to get with the horse.. your best bet is a up and coming or one that will work with you.
Hunter is usually form and submissiveness.. the 3 gaits etc..
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Location: MD | It's a great idea! |
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Location: North Dakota | I believe basic dressage training is essential in all horses. I would not hesitate to send mine to a dressage trainer. |
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| About a year and a half ago I decided to make a change in my discipline and started to learn how to run barrels. I had grown up with 10+ years of professional drassage/eventing training but needed something new to try. I found out that my strictly dressage trained horse learned how to turn a barrel much faster then my high strung jumper mount. I do believe that dressage has the best foundation training then any other discipline because it teaches a horse to use their bodies appropriately and also teaches them to listen to your seat at any given time. My dressage horse figured out after a couple weeks that as soon as I shifted my weight back and put my hand to the horn it meant "slow down and turn" so needless to say I had to learn real quick to get my timing right on getting my hand to the horn or else we were running over the barrel or turning an imaginary barrel.
Dressage training develops softness in the mouth and also roundness of the topline. The biggest problem I have faced in switching my two horses from drassage training is teaching straightness on exit of the turn. Also if your horse has been extensively trained without a leverage type bit/mouthpiece they can become overly bent coming into the turn and frustrated thinking that the bit is saying "stop" by applying pressure to both sides of the mouth/face even if you are only lifting one rein so it is important with the transition to have a bit that has independent side movement (myler bits are one of the only brands that truly offer this to a horse). |
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The gelding I am having rode has had 2 rides so far. I have gotten to watch both. I am loving what he is learning and wish I could comfortably afford to have this lady ride all of mine. I'm pretty sure I'll be sending all of my colts to her for at least 30 days before patterning from now on. Thank goodness she only has one personal horse to ride right now because I'm about to keep her busy lol.
I'm currently working on the "long and low" (properly-lol) with my barrel mare. I am trying to teach her to round up and collect easier but I know it is a long, long process but we have taken the first step! |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Bibliafarm - 2015-01-20 8:34 AM Basic Dressage will put a great foundation on the horse.. suppleness, movement,muscle work, lateral work etc.. but you should have a few lessons as well to get with the horse.. your best bet is a up and coming or one that will work with you.
Hunter is usually form and submissiveness.. the 3 gaits etc..
JMO...Basic dressage should be taught to all horses. It's part of the foundation of getting a horse broke. My dad put basic dressage on all of his horses way back in the late 1950's. |
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Location: Florida.. | Nevertooold - 2015-01-25 12:44 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-01-20 8:34 AM Basic Dressage will put a great foundation on the horse.. suppleness, movement,muscle work, lateral work etc.. but you should have a few lessons as well to get with the horse.. your best bet is a up and coming or one that will work with you.
Hunter is usually form and submissiveness.. the 3 gaits etc..
JMO...Basic dressage should be taught to all horses. It's part of the foundation of getting a horse broke. My dad put basic dressage on all of his horses way back in the late 1950's.
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Location: Texas | I don't think I need to send mine to a dressage trainer to get the handle I want. The right barrel horse trainer will put the correct foundation on a horse. They learn the same basic principles but tweaked to my discipline. I would rather spend the money on a trainer who has my end goals in mind. |
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Location: Texas | casualdust07 - 2015-01-25 6:14 PM
I don't think I need to send mine to a dressage trainer to get the handle I want. The right barrel horse trainer will put the correct foundation on a horse. They learn the same basic principles but tweaked to my discipline. I would rather spend the money on a trainer who has my end goals in mind.
I agree with CD... They aren't easy to find, but they are out there. I would probably go to a good colt starter if you are just looking for 90 days and then going to finish them yourself. In my opinion, colt starting is colt starting, it doesn't matter what discipline you are going to go into. A good colt starter will put a good foundation on a horse and then you can go any direction.
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Location: Florida.. | casualdust07 - 2015-01-25 7:14 PM I don't think I need to send mine to a dressage trainer to get the handle I want. The right barrel horse trainer will put the correct foundation on a horse. They learn the same basic principles but tweaked to my discipline. I would rather spend the money on a trainer who has my end goals in mind. well sure.. a good trainer can put a good handle on one .. and it doesnt take a "dressage trainer" to put basic dressage on a colt if they have that in their program..... i didnt mean to imply that if I did.....and yes there are colt starters that do just that..I feel it benefits them to know the basic foundation.... 
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Location: Texas | Bibliafarm - 2015-01-25 7:06 PM
casualdust07 - 2015-01-25 7:14 PM I don't think I need to send mine to a dressage trainer to get the handle I want. The right barrel horse trainer will put the correct foundation on a horse. They learn the same basic principles but tweaked to my discipline. I would rather spend the money on a trainer who has my end goals in mind. well sure.. a good trainer can put a good handle on one .. and it doesnt take a "dressage trainer" to put basic dressage on a colt if they have that in their program..... i didnt mean to imply that if I did.....and yes there are colt starters that do just that..I feel it benefits them to know the basic foundation....
I was just replying to the OP's original question! no target at anyone in particular |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I have found way too many barrel horses are lacking a good foundation. |
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| Nevertooold - 2015-01-25 8:44 PM
I have found way too many barrel horses are lacking a good foundation.
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Location: Florida.. | casualdust07 - 2015-01-25 9:01 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-01-25 7:06 PM casualdust07 - 2015-01-25 7:14 PM I don't think I need to send mine to a dressage trainer to get the handle I want. The right barrel horse trainer will put the correct foundation on a horse. They learn the same basic principles but tweaked to my discipline. I would rather spend the money on a trainer who has my end goals in mind. well sure.. a good trainer can put a good handle on one .. and it doesnt take a "dressage trainer" to put basic dressage on a colt if they have that in their program..... i didnt mean to imply that if I did.....and yes there are colt starters that do just that..I feel it benefits them to know the basic foundation.... I was just replying to the OP's original question! no target at anyone in particular
i know...same with my response.lol..i wanted to make sure i clarified |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | I know quite a few of those "colt starters" would benefit from dressage/English cross training for themselves! |
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| casualdust07 - 2015-01-25 6:14 PM
I don't think I need to send mine to a dressage trainer to get the handle I want. The right barrel horse trainer will put the correct foundation on a horse. They learn the same basic principles but tweaked to my discipline. I would rather spend the money on a trainer who has my end goals in mind.
My filly just went to my trainer about 10 days ago. She had 30 days on her last year. My trainer likes them pretty green so that she can spend her time building a solid foundation rather than trying to undo something someone else has done. Barrel racers use simple dressage skills but in a different way.
Here is an example---when side passing barrel racers tip the horse's nose in the opposite direction that the horse is moving. Dressage horses tip their nose in the direction that they are moving. Dressage, WP, reining horses, and English are taught to pick up a lead using the outside foot and tipping the nose to the outside. Barrel horses should tip their nose in and you would kick with the inside foot. Too many years riding WP and my trainer has had to retrain me.
If you want a barrel horse spend your money on a barrel horse trainer. If you want to take up dressage, send your horse to a dressage trainer. |
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Location: Texas | streakysox - 2015-01-25 9:18 PM
casualdust07 - 2015-01-25 6:14 PM
I don't think I need to send mine to a dressage trainer to get the handle I want. The right barrel horse trainer will put the correct foundation on a horse. They learn the same basic principles but tweaked to my discipline. I would rather spend the money on a trainer who has my end goals in mind.
My filly just went to my trainer about 10 days ago. She had 30 days on her last year. My trainer likes them pretty green so that she can spend her time building a solid foundation rather than trying to undo something someone else has done. Barrel racers use simple dressage skills but in a different way.
Here is an example---when side passing barrel racers tip the horse's nose in the opposite direction that the horse is moving. Dressage horses tip their nose in the direction that they are moving. Dressage, WP, reining horses, and English are taught to pick up a lead using the outside foot and tipping the nose to the outside. Barrel horses should tip their nose in and you would kick with the inside foot. Too many years riding WP and my trainer has had to retrain me.
If you want a barrel horse spend your money on a barrel horse trainer. If you want to take up dressage, send your horse to a dressage trainer.
Actually... The proper way to do leads are from the hip, not necessarily the nose. I think that most really good trainers know that... I think as barrel racers we focus WAY too much on their head and nose and our hands, and not near enough on everything from the shoulders back.
Edited by grinandbareit 2015-01-25 9:36 PM
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