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Location: fun meter pegged OK | This subject is buried in the Muslim Prayer thread and needs it own; so if your upset get upset here!
PRCA Board of Directors discusses tie-down roping rulesThe Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association (PRCA) Board of Directors met in Colorado Springs, Colo., on January 26 and 27, 2015. The business of the association was conducted and this included a discussion of tie-down roping rules. There was no vote to change the current PRCA rules for the tie-down roping event at PRCA rodeos. Actions were taken to move forward with formal discussions of the event and its rules. All facets of the industry, including contestants, will be involved in further discussions and will present suggested rule amendments to the PRCA Board of Directors. http://www.prorodeo.com/news-display/2015/01/28/prca-board-of-directors-discusses-tie-down-roping-rules |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Live link...
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| Correct me if I'm wrong...but what I got from the PRCA's post is that there has NOT been a formal rule change implemented...so I'm not sure what there is to be upset about? |
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| Something is very fishy here, because while the PRCA has said that they did not vote yet, there were several press releases all over the country saying that they did. I know there are sites that post bogus info, but these were legitimate newspapers. They had to get this somewhere??? |
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Location: Oklahoma | SpaceCowboy - 2015-01-28 2:31 PM Something is very fishy here, because while the PRCA has said that they did not vote yet, there were several press releases all over the country saying that they did. I know there are sites that post bogus info, but these were legitimate newspapers. They had to get this somewhere???
This what I'm thinking..... where did Tuf and Fred get their info? |
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| Right. I highly doubt Tuf is going to let a newspaper interview him on a rumor. And the latest PRCA Business Journal states that there will be a "no jerk down rule in effect for all of 2015" now it doesn't say the specifics, but this is a change from previous years. |
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| What are the new rules, the only little blur i have seen is a disqulafiation if they jerk the calf over backwords and it lands on its back. And honistly im ok with that, i love rodeo and roping but i hate when calves get jerked that bad. |
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| From what I have read, here is what I get out of it.
(In a sarcastic tone) They are forcing the ropers to be talented enough to catch one around the neck and not jerk one down, and good enough horsemen that their horse is not trained to stop so hard they jerk one down? Yes, how can they ask this of professional ropers! (End sarcasm)
Isn't the goal to catch one and turn them around on their feet? Isn't there a lot of time wasted when a calf is down and they have to get it up in order to flank and tie it? No one complains at Calgary when they hand them a $100K check that these are the rules. For me this is like saying barrel racers shouldn't have a 5 sec. penalty for hitting a barrel. You have to learn how to leave the barrels up, it's part of the rules. Calf ropers will have to figure out how not to jerk a calf down. They can do it, I've seen them do it a lot.
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Location: Phoenix | It is beneficial to jerk one down if it is
a)huge
b)fresh
Go watch Tyson Durfey's video from Cheyenne. If he had jerked it down, he would have gotten to the calf as it was getting up. You don't want to be hanging on the head of a huge calf and have it drag you all over the arena. It's fun for the crowd to watch one person suffer, but not everyone.
Edited by hammer_time 2015-01-28 4:05 PM
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | Are the proposed rules any different than AQHA rules? |
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| I believe a ground rule published in the business section of the PSN is where this is all coming from.
I disagree with a LOT of the decisions the PRCA has made in the last few years, but I do believe they have good intentions with this particular ground rule. Tie-down roping is one event that the animal rights people REALLY get fired up about, and *my personal opinion is that* the PRCA is trying to be proactive about self-regulating so these groups have less ammunition to make an emotional-based push toward governmental regulation.
Again, my personal opinion - but I think that the cowboys who are throwing very public fits on social media and through news outlets are not helping our case with the animal rights groups AT ALL. These groups WILL save the quotes from these guys and use them against us in the future, stating that the contestants don't care about the livestock at all. They already say that, and now these cowboys are just handing them the proof they need on a silver platter!
Edited to add: I do agree with hammer time that in the case of huge, fresh calves, it IS a lot easier on the contestants if they can use their slack and their horse to change the direction of the calf's momentum more. I'm just pointing out that I can understand where the PRCA is coming from on this decision (and believe me, I'm more shocked than anyone that I'm making that statement).
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| Yes, it is beneficial to pop them around, flank and tie one up when you are in a fast set-up (like the NFR) and those guys do that!~!!! There are a good portion of rodeos that are not like that. You need to just be as smooth as possible. It is way faster to jerk one down on his side so he jumps up right as you are ready to flank, rather than running you over or jumping over your head when you are still running down the rope. There has always been a fine for jerking a calf over it's back or on its head, but this was stating that if the calf falls off its feet (at all, for any reason) they would be flagged out and fined. |
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| Let's give PETA and others like it an "inch." They won't take a mile... they are very level-headed, understanding, and logical people. What event is next on the chopping block??? Hope it's not barrel racing. |
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Location: Phoenix | I do see WHY they are doing it (PETA, public image) BUT I think there should be some weight limits as to when they can and cannot jerk them down to help conpromise. I mean--if you don't jerk one down you might end up with a no-time anyways!!!!!
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Next they'll tell us we can't get close to the barrel just in case the horse hits it...  |
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| The way I see it - rodeo revolves around spectators. No spectators, no money, no rodeo.
If the spectators don't want to see the calves get jerked off their feet they will not pay to watch it.
The world is changing, and animal rights are becoming a huge thing. Rodeo needs to adopt changes if it wants to survive.
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| hammer_time - 2015-01-28 4:32 PM
I do see WHY they are doing it (PETA, public image) BUT I think there should be some weight limits as to when they can and cannot jerk them down to help conpromise. I mean--if you don't jerk one down you might end up with a no-time anyways!!!!!
There are weight limits in place for the calves, but I think the most important thing is for the stock contractors to make sure the pens of timed event livestock are as even as possible, and prepared properly. Maybe the PRCA needs to be looking at how the calves have to be prepared? Requiring more runs to prep fresh calves, etc. I'm not a roper, and I sure don't claim to have all the answers. Just throwing some thoughts out there for discussion.
Through all of the crap that has gone on over the past year with the PRCA, the most concerning thing to me is the apparent lack of communication/understanding between the office/board and the contestants. A divide within our own industry is getting larger and more apparent to the public, and I would be willing to bet that PETA and other animal rights groups are absolutely loving it. |
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| SpaceCowboy - 2015-01-28 3:17 PM
Yes, it is beneficial to pop them around, flank and tie one up when you are in a fast set-up (like the NFR) and those guys do that!~!!! There are a good portion of rodeos that are not like that. You need to just be as smooth as possible. It is way faster to jerk one down on his side so he jumps up right as you are ready to flank, rather than running you over or jumping over your head when you are still running down the rope. There has always been a fine for jerking a calf over it's back or on its head, but this was stating that if the calf falls off its feet (at all, for any reason) they would be flagged out and fined.
Until the calf you jerked down just lies there and you have to pick it up then flank it lol. |
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Location: Phoenix | True Della. I'm saying for the weights..... Like obviously you're not going to jerk down little babies on the cow still. I'm saying like the 300+ pounders that can take the jerk--those you make an exception. The exception is posted at the secretaries office so everyone knows. |
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| hammer_time - 2015-01-28 6:23 PM
True Della. I'm saying for the weights..... Like obviously you're not going to jerk down little babies on the cow still. I'm saying like the 300+ pounders that can take the jerk--those you make an exception. The exception is posted at the secretaries office so everyone knows.
I honistly dont think anything needs jerked down in a rodeo setting. Sometimes what it takes to win is not what's best for the stock and horse. Ill even go further to say they shouldent chuck and duck in the team roping and exclusively stretch the calves.
My grandpa always sais "you can tell the character of a man by how he handles his slack"
To me that about sums this up, but you see with every timed event some hold the stick above fast time and some hold fast times above everything.
Like i said above and nobody has explained my opinion is on harsh jerkdows as from what i understand that's the issue they are trying to remove. And i am pefrectly fine with that.
And honistly these pros that are freaking out, from a "city" point of view are having a big Nancy fit they cant abuse cute baby calves anymore. Thats a pretty #$/&ty image to over come now ....... |
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