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Location: Up and over to the right | Pull shoes and proper trims every 5 weeks on the dot. |
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| We are in the process of this as we speak. Vet took radiographes of all feet so we could correctively address the problem with out causing injury. We are squaring the back toe for a faster break over then moving the back of the shoe were the heel is (suppose) to be to give heel support
. front feet are not as crushed as the back so no squaring and just extending the shoe were the heel would normally live. Im all about bare foot but her back feed needed some extra help. Vet was confident this was our best option. If the back looked like her front i would have frequently had them trimmed |
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Location: The Great Northwest | Crushed heel is usually the case of very thin walls. This is genetic and you can supplement to help the walls to strengthen.
I have to deal with this with my horse. He has under-slung heels front and back with thin walls and heels. He went barefoot the first five years of his life. I race him so he came up sore in the deep digit tendon. The vet took x-Rays and determined he needed to be at least 3 degrees higher in angles front and rear due to the coffin bone not being level. I have not had any more soreness. He moves so much better! He was at 50 Degrees barefoot and couldn't get the angle needed. Shoes with wedge pads were the answer for this horse.
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| I will say that my mares heels were not due to thin hoof walls. Super thick hoof wall actually but due to previous owner waiting way to long for a trim in very soft ground forced her to walk on her heels. I agree with above though to get radiographes because there are so many reasons why a horse could have badly crushed heels.
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| This horse does not genetically have thin walls. I knew her as a 5yr old with great feet. But for the past 6 yrs she's had an extremely bad farrier. Her heels are crushed due to horrid shoe jobs. First stop is the vet as she's off and has not been vetted in years but the feet are a main issue as well and are most likely causing her other problems. Rood and Riddle reset one before and another time we just pulled shoes. This one i'm torn between pulling shoes right off the bat or just having x rays done with shoes on first.
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Location: ND | I like to keep them barefoot so I can make small adjustments to their feet every couple weeks. I simple work on pulling the heel back and bevel the toe back to the white line. |
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Location: The Great Northwest | SaraJean - 2015-02-03 5:22 PM
 I like to keep them barefoot so I can make small adjustments to their feet every couple weeks. I simple work on pulling the heel back and bevel the toe back to the white line.
I would love to keep him barefoot. He was the first five years of his life. He doesn't have a long toe probably due to the way he was trimmed. The heels remain under slung due to their confirmation. The heels and walls are thin. He is a different horse with shoes. The heels do curl under the shoe to not existing. He is wedged 3 degrees and has been for years this way. |
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| skye - 2015-02-02 7:48 PM
 Crushed heel is usually the case of very thin walls. This is genetic and you can supplement to help the walls to strengthen. Â
I have to deal with this with my horse. Â He has under-slung heels front and back with thin walls and heels. Â He went barefoot the first five years of his life. Â I race him so he came up sore in the deep digit tendon. Â The vet took x-Rays and determined he needed to be at least 3 degrees higher in angles front and rear due to the coffin bone not being level. Â I have not had any more soreness. Â He moves so much better! Â He was at 50 Degrees barefoot and couldn't get the angle needed. Â Shoes with wedge pads were the answer for this horse.
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Crushed heels are not due to the hoof wall, it has to do with the expansion and contraction of the hoof when the horse takes a step.
If the foot cannot function properly, this inhibits adequate circulation.
Crushed heels comes from improper trimming and shoeing (long toe, underslung heels, too small of a shoe, no heel support, unable to expand/contract due to improper shaping of shoe)
Underslung heels are not genetic, nor a conformation flaw, it is a man made problem, my guess you were going too far between trims, or your farrier sucks
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| One thing you can feed is Organic Kelp. It's cheap and really helps a horse grow a hoof and strengthen the foot. |
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Location: Got Lobsta? | cheryl makofka - 2015-02-02 9:56 PM skye - 2015-02-02 7:48 PM Crushed heel is usually the case of very thin walls. This is genetic and you can supplement to help the walls to strengthen.
I have to deal with this with my horse. He has under-slung heels front and back with thin walls and heels. He went barefoot the first five years of his life. I race him so he came up sore in the deep digit tendon. The vet took x-Rays and determined he needed to be at least 3 degrees higher in angles front and rear due to the coffin bone not being level. I have not had any more soreness. He moves so much better! He was at 50 Degrees barefoot and couldn't get the angle needed. Shoes with wedge pads were the answer for this horse.
Crushed heels are not due to the hoof wall, it has to do with the expansion and contraction of the hoof when the horse takes a step. If the foot cannot function properly, this inhibits adequate circulation. Crushed heels comes from improper trimming and shoeing (long toe, underslung heels, too small of a shoe, no heel support, unable to expand/contract due to improper shaping of shoe ) Underslung heels are not genetic, nor a conformation flaw, it is a man made problem, my guess you were going too far between trims, or your farrier sucks
Thank you for stating this! My horse had NO problems with feet until he suffered a hoof injury at a show. My vet suggested "her" farrier and under "their" guideance they placed shoes on with wedge pads. After 2 trims they said he can go barefoot for the winter. His heals are crushed! He was lame for 3 weeks. I'm supplementing him right now and hoping he can come back for the summer. It amazes me how quickly someone can mess up your horse's feet! |
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Location: Wisconsin | We had good luck with the Propads from Razor. The frog support really helped to get the heels expanded. |
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| Mainer-racer - 2015-02-03 9:01 AM
cheryl makofka - 2015-02-02 9:56 PM skye - 2015-02-02 7:48 PM Â Crushed heel is usually the case of very thin walls. This is genetic and you can supplement to help the walls to strengthen. Â
I have to deal with this with my horse. Â He has under-slung heels front and back with thin walls and heels. Â He went barefoot the first five years of his life. Â I race him so he came up sore in the deep digit tendon. Â The vet took x-Rays and determined he needed to be at least 3 degrees higher in angles front and rear due to the coffin bone not being level. Â I have not had any more soreness. Â He moves so much better! Â He was at 50 Degrees barefoot and couldn't get the angle needed. Â Shoes with wedge pads were the answer for this horse.
 Crushed heels are not due to the hoof wall, it has to do with the expansion and contraction of the hoof when the horse takes a step. If the foot cannot function properly, this inhibits adequate circulation. Crushed heels comes from improper trimming and shoeing (long toe, underslung heels, too small of a shoe, no heel support, unable to expand/contract due to improper shaping of shoe ) Underslung heels are not genetic, nor a conformation flaw, it is a man made problem, my guess you were going too far between trims, or your farrier sucks
I had a farrier at one time who "went to correcting" things that didn't need to be corrected. I ended up at Rood and Riddle with a vet specialist farrier who you think would be all snooty and technical. Nope one of the nicest guys I've met, even though he had every right to have a huge ego, and he told me that when a farrier "goes to fixin" things and your horse is NOT sore to begin with you should probably get to firing him. |
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| SaraJean - 2015-02-02 9:22 PM
 I like to keep them barefoot so I can make small adjustments to their feet every couple weeks. I simple work on pulling the heel back and bevel the toe back to the white line.
I'm thinking this might be the approach we take because I do want to minimize any damage to the hoof wall. I feel like it might be the best course for her.
I'm usually not an oral supplement person but I feel like extra biotin will be needed in her case. Thinking I'll add the knox gelatin packets to her feed as I've done it every time we've got one in with crushed heels. I dunno if it helps or not but I feel better hahaha |
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| astreakinchic - 2015-02-03 8:20 AM
SaraJean - 2015-02-02 9:22 PM
 I like to keep them barefoot so I can make small adjustments to their feet every couple weeks. I simple work on pulling the heel back and bevel the toe back to the white line.
I'm thinking this might be the approach we take because I do want to minimize any damage to the hoof wall. I feel like it might be the best course for her.
I'm usually not an oral supplement person but I feel like extra biotin will be needed in her case. Thinking I'll add the knox gelatin packets to her feed as I've done it every time we've got one in with crushed heels. I dunno if it helps or not but I feel better hahaha
Biotin itself does not do as good as everyone believes.
Methionine, zinc are more important.
I suggest messaging winwillows
Email riva's remedies she creates her own herbs and I want to say silica is her solution for feet (she gets it from oat straw and tells people to feed oat straw to help)
I believe in flax seed as it conditions the deer and allows the elasticity to reappear in the foot creating better blood circulation.
I bought one who had sand cracks in her feet proper hoof care and flax was the only thing changed (only trims no fancy work) the cracks were resolved in 8 months her feet now look great.
There is also something about milk powder, it has to do with the amino acid proteins, this helps to thicken up the hoof walk and promote a healthy foot. |
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