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| What is everyone's thoughts on not allowing a person to enter a race you produce. A gal around here is very high conflict, spreads lies just for the pleasure of hurting others and is very confrontational. I personally do not want her running at my races. Has any of you that have produced races ever told someone NO. What happened after? I'm just curious if this ever happens |
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| What rule in your production do you intend to inforce to prohibit someone from running due to their personality traits?
If you invoke the, we reserve the right to prohibit you from entering at any time for any reason at the sole disgression of the producer rule, you may not get very many customers. |
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Location: Up and over to the right | Agreed, abusing horses is one thing (and a reason) not liking someone isn't enough of a reason. People who don't like her won't show up and won't come back. Those who don't care will stay. You can talk to her personally but I doubt you can prevent her from showing up. |
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Location: Wasagaming, Manitoba, Canada | Personally I think your time and energy can be invested in other things rather then ostracizing someone you've never directly had a problem with.
Life is too short and you may never have an issue with her. If you make a point to personally attack (which banning her from the race would be) then you will have created the issue. I'd just let it be. |
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| My thoughts are, if she is as bad as you say, she will do something that condones getting banned. I don't feel it is a good idea to ban someone because they are known to cause problems. Let her come and when she does something terrible, ban her then. I have heard of people getting banned and it not being a huge deal because that person did something to deserve it, not just because the producer had heard bad things about them.
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Location: The South | I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think you can legally tell someone they can't enter just because they've been known to cause problems. I think you'll have to wait for her to actually do something wrong and then ban her. |
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| I dont think it you should ban someone just because you dont like them but if they are beligerant being disruptive like starting fights, abusing animals or openly abusing people at your races then that would give you merit. |
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| OR heres an idea, maybe ask HER to help keep the peace. Keep an eye out for people being disruptive. I've found that if you ask for someone known to be problematic to HELP you keep peace they will behave. |
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Location: Bennett, CO | You can't do it. A great producer didn't allow a gal to enter who had some financial obligations to many in the industry....it was a long expensive legal event... And while the producer had good solid reasoning for refusing her entry...in court, she lost |
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| I was away from the phone so didn't see all the responses. To clear things up she has been directly confrontational to myself and my children. And many others. She has entered my races before and caused conflict and problems at everyone of them. So it's not a hypothetical, she's been a problem repeatedly.
Also, given that these are small local races that I am the sole producer plus they are NOT sanctioned, I'm curious how any legal issues could arise? Could you explain what exactly happened with the case mentioned earlier? Just for curiosity sake mostly. I just am honestly floored that as a producer people think that problem people should be allowed entry. I find it quite interesting actually |
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| suzy2qtee - 2015-02-08 7:02 AM
OR heres an idea, maybe ask HER to help keep the peace. Keep an eye out for people being disruptive. I've found that if you ask for someone known to be problematic to HELP you keep peace they will behave.
While this would be the right approach with most reasonable people, the woman I'm rreferring to is just not ever going to be receptive to reasoning. Period. In fact at another local event she caught me behind the trailers and while holding her newborn in a front pack, pproceeed to tell me I was a fat C-word. And she also started screaming at me the other day at a committee meeting for our local sorting. Yelling at me in front of a group of people, also while holding her infant. It was to the point where the president asked her to leave. |
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Go Get Em!
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Location: OH. IO | WE HAVE ONE OF THOSE AROUND HERE TOO.People cringe when she shows up .The next time she disrespects you kick her off the grounds and let her know its PERMANENT. |
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| I dont understand this. Why would this person be able to continue entering if financial obligations were not taken care of?
I have a friend that produces many barrel races. And YES, she did tell one person that she was no longer welcome to any of her barrel races because of the confrontation that she continually had with the producer. I think if its your barrel race, then yes, then can be 86'ed!! There is no need to be miserable and work you butt off to have a good race. |
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Location: Florida.. | next time she is being aggressive call the cops.. they can make her leave. |
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| Unfortunately there is always people like this around....everywhere. This is one reason why I won't host jackpots. It's almost like you should be thankful for people coming to your jackpot rather than THEM thankful someone is putting them on! I have seen this over and over again....it doesn't stop until they have nowhere else to go. If this person is belligerent then ask then nicely to leave as that behaviour is not welcome and tell them they are not welcome to return. You would think it would be embarrassing enough for them that they would stay away maybe? Problem is most of those types of people never think they do anything wrong and it always "someone else" who is the problem.....
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| sandygirl1 - 2015-02-08 11:52 AM
Unfortunately there is always people like this around....everywhere. This is one reason why I won't host jackpots. It's almost like you should be thankful for people coming to your jackpot rather than THEM thankful someone is putting them on! I have seen this over and over again....it doesn't stop until they have nowhere else to go. If this person is belligerent then ask then nicely to leave as that behaviour is not welcome and tell them they are not welcome to return. You would think it would be embarrassing enough for them that they would stay away maybe? Problem is most of those types of people never think they do anything wrong and it always "someone else" who is the problem.....
Good Luck!
^^I couldn't agree with this more. It's like she thinks it's completely normal to scream cuss words at someone while holding your infant child. |
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I just read the headlines
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| Bibliafarm - 2015-02-08 12:13 PM
next time she is being aggressive call the cops.. they can make her leave.
This is what I would do. |
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Location: Lost in the corn of Iowa. | wickedstepmother - 2015-02-08 11:26 AM suzy2qtee - 2015-02-08 7:02 AM OR heres an idea, maybe ask HER to help keep the peace. Keep an eye out for people being disruptive. I've found that if you ask for someone known to be problematic to HELP you keep peace they will behave. While this would be the right approach with most reasonable people, the woman I'm rreferring to is just not ever going to be receptive to reasoning. Period. In fact at another local event she caught me behind the trailers and while holding her newborn in a front pack, pproceeed to tell me I was a fat C-word. And she also started screaming at me the other day at a committee meeting for our local sorting. Yelling at me in front of a group of people, also while holding her infant. It was to the point where the president asked her to leave.
If she is that confrontational to you that you feel threatened, call the cops. And nothing else you can get a restraining order. I know it's just a piece of paper, but it would be reason enough for her to stay the heck away from you while she at an event you are producing. You may not be able to ban her, but you can at least make it known that she is not to anywhere near you or else you can have her hauled off. Life is too short to deal with childish people like her. |
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| My horse fell on me at a barrel race in 2008 fracturing my distal fibulae. A SLANDEROUS LIE was spread by a few certain people that I was suing the facility owner. These individuals tried to get me banned from 4 different arenas in the state. Minnesota has a legal database which contains ALL lawsuits for 30+ years, so I proved my innocence multiple times by carrying state documents with me wherever I went.
A few years ago, I hauled to a barrel race at Arrowhead Arena. I was accosted by the event producer (a mutual friend told me she was one of those spreading the lie initially), saying that I couldn't enter because I had a lawsuit. I told her NO lawsuit ever existed and I could prove it. She said "It doesn't matter... you're not running at my barrel race". I peacefully left, but a few days later, I received a letter from the attorney of Arrowhead's owner (the owner and producer are friends), informing me that I would be arrested if I ever set foot on her property again. I immediately sent a letter with all the facts to the owner of Arrowhead Arena and yet, she continues to ignore the facts.
So, a personal vendetta is the only reason needed to 86 someone from a barrel race that you produce. The reason for the vendetta... WPRA fined the producer for beating her horse over the head with a whip at a pro rodeo and she accused me of turning her in. I had to get a letter from WPRA stating they have no record of me turning anyone in for anything and she STILL accuses me of it. I didn't witness it and didn't know who did until two years later. A PRCA judge told me he witnessed the animal abuse and fined her.
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| ms cartman - 2015-02-08 3:14 PM
My horse fell on me at a barrel race in 2008 fracturing my distal fibulae. A SLANDEROUS LIE was spread by a few certain people that I was suing the facility owner. These individuals tried to get me banned from 4 different arenas in the state. Minnesota has a legal database which contains ALL lawsuits for 30+ years, so I proved my innocence multiple times by carrying state documents with me wherever I went.
A few years ago, I hauled to a barrel race at Arrowhead Arena. I was accosted by the event producer (a mutual friend told me she was one of those spreading the lie initially), saying that I couldn't enter because I had a lawsuit. I told her NO lawsuit ever existed and I could prove it. She said "It doesn't matter... you're not running at my barrel race". I peacefully left, but a few days later, I received a letter from the attorney of Arrowhead's owner (the owner and producer are friends), informing me that I would be arrested if I ever set foot on her property again. I immediately sent a letter with all the facts to the owner of Arrowhead Arena and yet, she continues to ignore the facts.
So, a personal vendetta is the only reason needed to 86 someone from a barrel race that you produce. The reason for the vendetta... WPRA fined the producer for beating her horse over the head with a whip at a pro rodeo and she accused me of turning her in. I had to get a letter from WPRA stating they have no record of me turning anyone in for anything and she STILL accuses me of it. I didn't witness it and didn't know who did in until two years later. A PRCA judge told me he witnessed the animal abuse and fined her.
This is a nightmare |
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