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| I also posted this on the trailer forum but there isn't much activity over there.
Does anyone haul a 3 horse gooseneck with half ton gas pickup? Emply trailer weight is only 5080lbs. I know it's not ideal but wondering if anyone has done this. Thanks. |
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| I'm SURE people do it. Not ME though! I can't see any reason it would be a good idea. |
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Location: North Dakota | I do. My truck is rated to pull 11,000 pounds. My 3 horse GN weighs 5600 empty. It pulls it great. I usually only have 1 horse in it also. My truck is a 2012 Ford 1/2 ton with the towing package. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Even if you think you have enough truck... I would be concerned with the stopping power. I would contact a dealer of the brand truck you have to verify. We don't tell people what to pull with at the trailer plant, we tell them to contact their dealership. HOWEVER... personally, I wouldn't pull any goose neck trailer with a half ton truck. My horses mean too much to me to put them at an uneccessary risk. |
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| Thanks. I'm being seduced by thoughts of air conditioning. New trailer is a go but not a new truck. I do not want to endanger horses tho. GN weights only 2000 lbs more but loaded with 3 horses we would be 300 (at least) over rating. |
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Yeah it's not wether or not it CAN pull the trailer....it's wether or not it should...and the stopping power just isn't there.
Folks that pull with a 1/2 ton are often taking a chance with anything other than a light small bumper pull. Lots of folks do it...but I'm not much of a gambler.
Whatever you think the trailer weighs...load it up with horses, water/hay tack etc as if for a full on trip. Then go to the scales at the truck stop and really see what you are hauling. Some would be very surprised. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | not in a million years would i pull that with a half ton....a 2 horse bumper pull and thats it.......
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| mruggles - 2015-02-19 9:04 AM not in a million years would i pull that with a half ton....a 2 horse bumper pull and thats it.......
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Exactly ^^ and as others have said ... it is not can it pull it, but can it stop the load behind? |
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| I plan to overhaul my tack room in my 2h bumper pull this summer to be a small 1 person LQ and that will include AC.
There is a Lq trailer conversion group on facebook and they've done some impressive things in small spaces!
I kicked around the idea of a new rig for a while, but both my truck and trailer are paid off and in good condition, the extra debt seems silly. When I'm done I should have a twin size bed, water, ac, and storage cabinets. Cant wait.
Edited to add - my truck is an '04 f150 and my trailer is a 2h BP Titan Avalanche. I've seen the newer ones pulling a goose, but Ive heard them stopping and going too and it just sounds like a lot of stress on the vehicle.
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| OhMax - 2015-02-19 10:11 AM
I plan to overhaul my tack room in my 2h bumper pull this summer to be a small 1 person LQ and that will include AC.
There is a Lq trailer conversion group on facebook and they've done some impressive things in small spaces!
I kicked around the idea of a new rig for a while, but both my truck and trailer are paid off and in good condition, the extra debt seems silly. When I'm done I should have a twin size bed, water, ac, and storage cabinets. Cant wait.
Edited to add - my truck is an '04 f150 and my trailer is a 2h BP Titan Avalanche. I've seen the newer ones pulling a goose, but Ive heard them stopping and going too and it just sounds like a lot of stress on the vehicle.
What's that facebook group? I'd like to join! |
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| blyellowrose - 2015-02-19 7:24 AM
I do. My truck is rated to pull 11,000 pounds. My 3 horse GN weighs 5600 empty. It pulls it great. I usually only have 1 horse in it also. My truck is a 2012 Ford 1/2 ton with the towing package.
I would look at the gvw, your engine may be rated to pull, but a 1/2 ton frame is not rated to carry that much weight
It also depends on how much you love your horses, if you do loose control, a half ton is more difficult to regain control when the trailer shipping behind weighs more then the truck.
I have seen many 1/2 ton trucks belly up with holiday trailers on. You have to remember a holiday trailer doesn't have moving weight in the back
Edited by cheryl makofka 2015-02-19 12:02 PM
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Location: North Dakota | WE did for many years, though our trailer was a steel stock with 4 horses in it. The half ton had bags and the brakes always worked on the trailer. It was not ideal but it got the job done and amazingly (according to many on this thread) we LOVED our horses and didn't kill one of them! We also didn't go more than 100 miles per trip, there's a lot to understand about where you're going.
And those of you advocating a bumper pull over a gooseneck have never pulled a squirrelly bumper pull. No matter how big my pickup OR how big my trailer I will NEVER pull with a bumper pull again!
IMO it will definitely work just may not be ideal, I guess if it meant me staying home for 3 years so I could afford a new pickup to pull that 3 horse with, I would pull it cautiously with the half ton. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | actually i pulled a bumper pull (with a half ton) for a good number of years........we still use a little bumper pull its our winter trailer..............and i stand by first comment 1/2 tons are not meant to pull a heavier trailer..........
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Location: WI | Depends on the half ton. Some of the newer vehicles have really great ratings. I haul with a gal that uses her 2014 GMC Sierra Denali (rated to pull 9800lbs) and that thing pulls nice! Nicer than my F250! |
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Location: Oklahoma | LMS - 2015-02-19 12:10 PM
WE did for many years, though our trailer was a steel stock with 4 horses in it. The half ton had bags and the brakes always worked on the trailer. It was not ideal but it got the job done and amazingly (according to many on this thread) we LOVED our horses and didn't kill one of them! We also didn't go more than 100 miles per trip, there's a lot to understand about where you're going.
And those of you advocating a bumper pull over a gooseneck have never pulled a squirrelly bumper pull. No matter how big my pickup OR how big my trailer I will NEVER pull with a bumper pull again!
IMO it will definitely work just may not be ideal, I guess if it meant me staying home for 3 years so I could afford a new pickup to pull that 3 horse with, I would pull it cautiously with the half ton.
No one is saying you didn't love your horses. 1/2 ton trucks are not meant to have the towing capacity/stopping power of a larger truck. Like I previously said, I would contact the truck manufacturer and find out the combined GVWR to see if you have enough truck/stopping power. |
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Location: Buffalo, Wyoming | Griz - 2015-02-19 10:49 AM OhMax - 2015-02-19 10:11 AM I plan to overhaul my tack room in my 2h bumper pull this summer to be a small 1 person LQ and that will include AC. There is a Lq trailer conversion group on facebook and they've done some impressive things in small spaces! I kicked around the idea of a new rig for a while, but both my truck and trailer are paid off and in good condition, the extra debt seems silly. When I'm done I should have a twin size bed, water, ac, and storage cabinets. Cant wait. Edited to add - my truck is an '04 f150 and my trailer is a 2h BP Titan Avalanche. I've seen the newer ones pulling a goose, but Ive heard them stopping and going too and it just sounds like a lot of stress on the vehicle. What's that facebook group? I'd like to join!
I would like to know as well. |
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Location: North Dakota | TwistedK - 2015-02-19 12:32 PM LMS - 2015-02-19 12:10 PM WE did for many years, though our trailer was a steel stock with 4 horses in it. The half ton had bags and the brakes always worked on the trailer. It was not ideal but it got the job done and amazingly (according to many on this thread) we LOVED our horses and didn't kill one of them! We also didn't go more than 100 miles per trip, there's a lot to understand about where you're going.
And those of you advocating a bumper pull over a gooseneck have never pulled a squirrelly bumper pull. No matter how big my pickup OR how big my trailer I will NEVER pull with a bumper pull again!
IMO it will definitely work just may not be ideal, I guess if it meant me staying home for 3 years so I could afford a new pickup to pull that 3 horse with, I would pull it cautiously with the half ton. No one is saying you didn't love your horses. 1/2 ton trucks are not meant to have the towing capacity/stopping power of a larger truck. Like I previously said, I would contact the truck manufacturer and find out the combined GVWR to see if you have enough truck/stopping power.
It also depends on how much you love your horses, if you do loose control, a half ton is more difficult to regain control when the trailer shipping behind weighs more then the truck.
Because I'm in the arguing kind of mood. :)
I just want to point out that this can and is being done, do I argue the fact that my 1 ton does a much better job? No, however, I couldn't afford the 1 ton right away and I made do with what I had.
There was once a statement made as to why bring an elephant gun to a gopher hunt?? Might apply here if the OP is comfortable with the situation. |
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| I'm slightly confused on the STOPPING capacity statement... If the trailer has breaks (which in my opinion all trailers should have breaks) Why would the TRUCK have to be bigger to get it to stop??? I'm not being a pain just confused. |
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Location: Kansas | LMS - 2015-02-19 12:10 PM WE did for many years, though our trailer was a steel stock with 4 horses in it. The half ton had bags and the brakes always worked on the trailer. It was not ideal but it got the job done and amazingly (according to many on this thread) we LOVED our horses and didn't kill one of them! We also didn't go more than 100 miles per trip, there's a lot to understand about where you're going.
And those of you advocating a bumper pull over a gooseneck have never pulled a squirrelly bumper pull. No matter how big my pickup OR how big my trailer I will NEVER pull with a bumper pull again!
IMO it will definitely work just may not be ideal, I guess if it meant me staying home for 3 years so I could afford a new pickup to pull that 3 horse with, I would pull it cautiously with the half ton.
I have a Dodge half ton and pull a gooseneck 3 horse stock combo with it. I live in Kansas so am not hauling through mountains, don't go very fast and make sure my trailer brakes work. Yes I love my horses, but no I can't afford a $10,000 truck on my current paycheck so my $1,300 one is going to do the job until I have a better source of income and can look for a 3/4 ton. The old blue truck isn't the best choice for pulling my trailer but I'd rather save my money for vet bills and other horse stuff than be spending several hundred a month in truck payments.
I pulled a bumper pull for years and MUCH prefer my gooseneck over the 16 foot bumper pull stock trailer I grew up using. No brakes, it fishtails if you go very fast, and when stopping you don't have much choice but to fling the horses around because there aren't any dividers. I had to use it last November for one trip when my black truck died and we didn't have the gooseneck hitch in old blue yet, and let me tell you, I HATED every minute of pulling the stock trailer with the 1995 F150 that is definitely not enough truck for much of a trailer. My Dodge trucks are much heavier built than that Ford. |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | suzy2qtee - 2015-02-19 5:58 PM
I'm slightly confused on the STOPPING capacity statement... If the trailer has breaks (which in my opinion all trailers should have breaks) Why would the TRUCK have to be bigger to get it to stop??? I'm not being a pain just confused.
It's called inertia. Inertia is the resistance of any physical object to any change of it's state of motion, including speed and direction.
A half ton truck may have brakes but the truck can't stop the trailer. The load is too heavy, the trailer jack knifes or just push the truck because the truck doesn't have the capacity to stop something that heavy moving that fast. A bigger, heavier truck that is built to handle the load will be able to do much better. The half ton will stop but it might take forever, tear up your truck, or worse. It's the same concept as trying to stop a train, you don't just need the first car to stop, you need the whole thing to stop.
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