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Location: Cocoa, Florida | I have a mare that Likes to tuck her head with any pressure in her mouth, I can cruise the pattern in an o ring with a twisted wire but any faster and she tends to over run, im not heavy handed I usually twist and look and keep my hands low, she will usually rate herself, sometimes she over runs the 1st by a stride - Heres my dilemma; I need her round, soft and supple, if I ride her in a hack she tends to stiffen up but she doesn't tuck her head. I have a medium shank smooth mouth snaffle with a tiny bit of lift on her now and she will still wad up around the barrels if I touch her to much. I need something that will keep the bend not stiffen her up, that's not to hard but not to light, any suggestions?
(I hope I'm making sense)
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| What about a sweet six with a twisted wire dog bone mouth? Lift, more control, and the twisted wire will keep her supple. |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | I've tried that one I have a few of them, no luck |
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| Goosetree Simplicity with no curb? |
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| L and w sells a mullem mouth that is pretty thick add waddell uses them they have a little shank and will keep one from folding up and over tucking. |
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Location: North Dakota | cyount2009 - 2015-02-26 1:52 PM Goosetree Simplicity with no curb?
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| If the shanks are what bothers her but you lack control. try an o ring with a noseband, not a stiff one but just a rope one. Or one of the orings with another ring attached to the o. Mine has two but they make ones with just one. Or maybe on your shank bit experiment with chin straps,.. if you have a chain one loosen it or try leather...etc.. Also snaffles put pressure on the bars, maybe experiment with a bit that is more pressure on the corners or one that pressures the tongue.. Maybe the bar pressure is what your horse doesn't like. I run in a hack and know what you mean about the stiffness, but since she doesn't tuck with that maybe a very light combo bit would work. Like a mullen o ring with noseband? or maybe a different hack? What hack did you use |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | L and W is who suggested the bit that I have on her now to run in but she still talking her head, i've got a whole collection of bits and have tried different ones I'm trying to stay away from anything that is too much for her. She has a deadhead when you exercise her or walk trot and lopes a pattern but she knows once it's time to run she is pretty much unstoppable, so I need just a little bit more.
She's four so I don't want to get into using anything really heavy, I have a tried the O-ring with a rope notice and also the O-ring with the double 0, she still talked her head.
I work her and big nice circles around the barrels even tight circles and she seems very freed up but once I put that heavier bit on her and make a run she still wads up a little bit.
Is this something that she will eventually come out of? I try not to touch her at all during our run but she's so fast and strong sometimes I have to. |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | I apologize for any spelling and grammar errors I'm talk texting on my phone |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | 
Edited by RnRJack 2015-02-26 11:08 PM
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Location: Dubach, LA | I agree with the mullen suggestion, but I'm gonna say borrow, don't buy. I would also encourage you to video some runs to make sure you are riding consistently. Is she more likely to be over-bendy at certain arenas? |
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| I know a certain bit professional that could help you. :-) |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | I have lots of videos, it's any rein pressure at all and that head goes, the more pulling the more she tucks, so I have to be as light handed as I can if I get to heavy she wads up, but I still have to help her in her turns. She's really starting to rate on her own but she's also getting a lot faster and that wadding up in the turns is slowing our runs down |
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Location: Texas | Honestly... Your mare is only four and what I see isn't a bit problem but a rate and turn issue. If you try to fix this with a bit you aren't going to fix it for the long term. Plus, it's going to cost you a lot of time in your runs. If you need to help her it should only be on the backside after you have started into your turn and then you can maybe "help" her just a bit to finish it.
Get her to rate those barrels on her own so she doesn't need that help from you and you will have smoother faster runs and a way happier horse... and rider! ;)
Good luck!
PS... I think your reins are a little short as well. Sorry about all the unsolicited advice... just ignore it if you want, lol.
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | I understand what you're saying and I've said over and over that yes she's still young, she's now learning and starting to rate on her own, what I'm really looking for is something to keep her freed up a little bit. I'm not heavy handed, im not looking for a harder bit to help her turn i'm looking for something that she won't tuck her head in to much, it's any light pressure and she does it. It's not even all the time and I asked if this is something she will grow out of, I've had many that break great in the poll and stay collected in their turns without wadding up like that.
When I do my slow work or exhibitions I use an o ring with a twisted wire and I always ride in split reins, everything is coming together I just need to try some different mouth pieces and I ask advice on here because bits are not my strongest subject. I know the basics that's it. This is also the first filly I've trained myself so im happy we've come this far.
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Location: Lost in the swamps | Second picture looks like she is obviously over flexed in the head, neck but not following thru with her shoulders,possibly not bending in the rib cage either, chiro to see if her she doesn't have a rib out, try some reining spin with her head and neck straighter and have her cross over on her front feet when you bump(not pull) that inside rein. |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | I just had her worked on the week before that show, i have mine chiropracted regularly, she was definitely not shaped well for the turn like the other pictures. I get frustrated because we can lope perfect circles around the barrels from both directions usually.
She really wants to be square and I've done my best to keep her round, soft and supple. She doesn't tuck her head with my jim Warner Hack but that seems to keep her more stiff.
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Location: Florida.. | I agree .. at 4 Id probrably do some basic body work.not ride her head but get her body flexible... get her body supple and bending thru her ribs..do slow work with her... and reins are short and I was thinking it appears outside is held to tight and she cant even think to bend in that one photo.. she needs room to be supple. jmo |
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| I'm as usual the odd man out- but I had one like that once and when I added a tie-down he learned that he liked to push up on that for stability, the head and neck curling went away- just a thought- good luck! |
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Location: Texas | Try a combo for balance |
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