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 Career in Looney Tune Land
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Location: the high desert | In light of the thread that i ruined (sorry OP of that thread) I feel I should explain myself a little, not that anyone really cares but I will feel better if I do. As moronic as this may sound, I did not mean to offend anyone. I know there are several breeders on this forum and what i said was probably like a slap in the face and for that I am sorry. Its just frustrating to have a dream (very stupid dream, that will never happen) and you watch it slip ever so farther away because prices just keep going up and up, but you as breeders have dreams as well and you have to make money in order to obtain them. I will always have to be a "bargain" shopper, so seeing these nice studs just continue to go up and up and way out my price range gets to be really depressing. I know you as stud owners work very hard to get were your at and have to continue to work even harder to climb up that ladder. |
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  Keeper of the King Snake
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Location: Dubach, LA | I didn't see the post, but I understand where you are coming from. I think I'll be priced out before long. It just keeps getting more and more ridiculously expensive just to compete at all. Much less be truly competitive. |
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 Midget Lover
Location: Kentucky | I'm not really sure why you are so down on yourself. Your posts to always seem downgrade yourself. Instead of saying "a very stupid dream that will never happen", make it your goal and work your tail off on it.
You didn't need to make an explaination thread, and you don't need to be so hard on yourself. Think of all the things you DO have, and work on the things you want.
Trust me, we aren't all millionaires :) |
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 Total Germophobe
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Location: Montana | Murphy - 2015-03-04 7:53 PM I'm not really sure why you are so down on yourself. Your posts to always seem downgrade yourself. Instead of saying "a very stupid dream that will never happen", make it your goal and work your tail off on it.
You didn't need to make an explaination thread, and you don't need to be so hard on yourself. Think of all the things you DO have, and work on the things you want.
Trust me, we aren't all millionaires :)
If I could "like" this post more than once, I would.
I agree with Murphy...and I can tell you I'm not a millionaire...or a thousandaire, LOL. What I do, though, is work my butt off to afford the things I want in life. Sometimes that means you have to make do without other things or make a decision about what you want most. But set yourself goals, even small ones, you will get where you want to be! |
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 Proud to be Deplorable
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| Keep in mind that all the great studs where a no name horse in someone's back yard at one time. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | IT seems this is less an explanation of some of those statement made specifically because there was a bit of contradiction in them but of your frustration with rising prices. As such it makes perfect sense. I get your position. But you have a few options. You can take a gamble on some nice more affordable studs who are not proven performers/producers yet in your price range, you can save, or do what I have done. Breed your way up. I found a great deal on a super nice mare. I bred her to a good freshman sire. Then I bred her to a couple nicer studs and sold the babies, walaa, I kept the money from those sales and am breeding her to DTF now. Take the long view. :) |
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| I think you'll find that most of the posters here feel the same frustration that you are feeling. The road to the top is always an uphill battle. No need to be so hard on yourself. |
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Career in Looney Tune Land
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Location: the high desert | I truly am my own worst enemy, always have been. Yes some of my frustration is with prices, but I realize how stupid that is because there is absolutely nothing I can do about them. I have no desire to be a breeder, if I ever did it would only be for myself. I have thought about selling my current mare and buying a nice broodmare and breed for my own nice prospect but I have more money into my mare than I could sell her for and I'm just going to have to make it work because I am tired of losing, I always lose. Plus the most important thing I have to focus on right now is going to college and getting a career, gonna have to put the dreams aside for quite awhile. Anyways, again I apologize for anyone I offended. |
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| Let them keep pumping up the prices and buying into the hype. |
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Location: Vinton, La. | I'm sure you would love to breed to the "in" horses as we all do. But if it's not in your price range, don't give up. Many of us have either been in your shoes or still are. Keep looking until you find one that suits your mare and meets your price requirements. They are out there, I promise!! :)
And remember, the stud fee will be the cheapest part of breeding your mare. Lol
Edited by Bigtime mistake 2015-03-04 11:16 PM
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Tried and True
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Location: Where I am happiest | I agree with the above, dont be so hard on yourself! You defeat yourself before you ever get started. STOP IT!! You say you always lose, well your taking away any climb by beating yourself. STOP IT!! Dont be so self defeating.
As far as breeding, you dont have to nor should you sell your mare to buy a broodmare. If you want to raise a foal, breed the mare you have. There really are alot of super nice horses just beginning their stallion career that are in the $1000 - $1500 rance with those designer bloodlines. Go to those horses. Just chose wisely.
Just know, every single one of us has been where you are. You can climb that latter, but by golly you have to put your foot on that bottom step and pull yourself up! We will be your cheer leaders, but "I Cant" never did.
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 Shelter Dog Lover
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| ThreeCorners - 2015-03-05 6:42 AM I agree with the above, dont be so hard on yourself! You defeat yourself before you ever get started. STOP IT!! You say you always lose, well your taking away any climb by beating yourself. STOP IT!! Dont be so self defeating.
As far as breeding, you dont have to nor should you sell your mare to buy a broodmare. If you want to raise a foal, breed the mare you have. There really are alot of super nice horses just beginning their stallion career that are in the $1000 - $1500 rance with those designer bloodlines. Go to those horses. Just chose wisely.
Just know, every single one of us has been where you are. You can climb that latter, but by golly you have to put your foot on that bottom step and pull yourself up! We will be your cheer leaders, but "I Cant" never did.
Ditto. This reminds of a friend who is in her 40's, has never placed higher than 3D, has several unregistered inexpensive horses and has a goal to make it to the NFR. She is so unhappy about her prospects of achieving this goal that she has made herself miserable. She won't watch barrel racing on TV, won't watch the NFR because it is "too hard"- does not want to watch others "doing what she can't". I finally told her to sell the 9 horses she has, buy a good prospect, quit feeling sorry for yourself and get to work. I told her it made me sad for her that she let this goal keep her from enjoying and recognizing all she has now. Have your goal but don't make yourself miserable while you work towards it. You are young and have a lot of years in front of you, don't write yourself off so easily.
Edited by rodeomom3 2015-03-05 7:07 AM
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 Hugs to You
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | I really think you need more positive people to hang around with. Hugs to you.
As far as breeding to the "more expensive", dont beat yourself up so bad. We all have been in your shoes. A lot of us are just older. We don't have kids at home anymore, we have better jobs, etc., Things that come with age.
We all can change. Make yourself a "can/savings", put all your change in it at first every Friday night. Then start adding dollar bills every Friday night. It won't take long and you can get a $1K stud fee. There are lots of them out there.
Set a goal and soon you will have it.
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 You get what you give
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Location: Texas | I think there are plenty of excellent stallions standing for under $2000, and many even under 1500... If there's a stallion you want to breed to, save your pennies, watch for stallion auctions, contact early for an early booking discount if they have one, ask about are considerations...
Also, you don't HAVE to go all designer. There are PLENTY of excellent stallions who are not mainstream yet but will give you a nice colt. Sun of A Bunny is one of them. He's young, he's got an older not so common mix of bloodlines, and he hasn't had very many babies. But he's structurally correct, made really well, palomino to boot.. We bought his oldest colt and he's barely lunging in the round pen with a saddle on and we know he will be something special. All year long they have been doing breeding giveaways, contests, discounts.. just jump on those things.
There are ALTERNATIVES to the sticker price on many stallion's stud fees.. |
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Shelter Dog Lover
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| I just watched the latest episode of "Razor's Edge" featuring Joleen Montgomery and Ryan Pedone. Both agreed about buying proven bloodlines, that they can see/feel a difference in "barrrel bred" colts but both talked about the how the momma is much more important than the stud. |
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Tried and True
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Location: Where I am happiest | I started a new thread for you so you can see there are ALOT of very nice, successful well bred stallions standing for under $1000 and if you dont want to breed yourself, you can bet these stallions have foals for sale that wont be an arm and a leg plus your first born.
http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=460286&posts=7&start=1 |
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 Owner of a ratting catting machine
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| Honestly, I'm not in the breeding game. I simply cannot afford it. It's not the stud fee that I cannot afford. That's the cheap part! I can't afford the mare care, the baby care, the good place for baby and mom to hang out, the vet calls, the this, the that, the feeding program, the deworming, the farrier care, the vaccination schedule, the blah, blah, blah. Many people have well over 10,000 invested in those babies by the time they're 2 years old, and those aren't even the fancy Dash Ta Fames, and Streaks to this, and the Frenchmans that, and that's way before they ever swing a leg over them and ask for a lope to see how they feel.
I'd much rather sort through the phenomenal prospects that go through sales, through the mom and pop breeding programs, the big time race breeders, and the girls that buy a bunch of prospects and keep one or two and sell the rest.
I'd also much, much rather buy a living breathing 2-5 year old that's at least track broke over taking a chance on a baby living from 0-2 years old, and only be insurable for the stud fee, not knowing if he can outrun a bumblebee or will have any of that heart and try we all hear about.
So since you're so young, and going to college, without any real career yet, and all the necessary thousands to turn out a truly nice prospect, maybe you could just cut yourself some slack and not get down on what you can or cannot afford. Promise yourself what you'll be able to swing someday, then work for that!
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| rodeomom3 - 2015-03-05 8:02 AM
I just watched the latest episode of "Razor's Edge" featuring Joleen Montgomery and Ryan Pedone. Both agreed about buying proven bloodlines, that they can see/feel a difference in "barrrel bred" colts but both talked about the how the momma is much more important than the stud.
Correct me if im wrong but I thought they were handed prospects that already show great potential, not any run of the mill ta fame horse.
So the people they ride for have 100+ of colts per year and send the great few to the great trainers, so good luck if you are going to breed that super special true winner with one try per year. |
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 Undercover Amish Mafia Member
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Location: Kansas | I'm right there with you. I have a big dream, and unforunately being a single mom with a psycho ex-baby daddy....I will never be able to accomplish that dream. |
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 Good Grief!
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | Iwish - 2015-03-05 9:10 PM I truly am my own worst enemy, always have been. Yes some of my frustration is with prices, but I realize how stupid that is because there is absolutely nothing I can do about them. I have no desire to be a breeder, if I ever did it would only be for myself. I have thought about selling my current mare and buying a nice broodmare and breed for my own nice prospect but I have more money into my mare than I could sell her for and I'm just going to have to make it work because I am tired of losing, I always lose. Plus the most important thing I have to focus on right now is going to college and getting a career, gonna have to put the dreams aside for quite awhile. Anyways, again I apologize for anyone I offended.
you are just a ray of sunshine arent you....aint a thing gonna change til you change your attitude....................
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