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 Serious Snap Trapper
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | Found a decent, 4 horse straighload/stock trailer. I wont get into the details because they aren't really relevent. The guy we bought it from has a home up where we live, and a home in Scottsdale. He was in Scottsdale when he posted the ad, so he had his neighbor show the trailer to us. We decided to buy on the terms that he would send the title out that weekend. We called him that weekend and he said the title was at his home up where we live and would be there the following weekend to get it and would send it out. Now he will not answer our calls, texts or emails. I messaged him off a different phone about something else he had for sale and he responded immedietly. So we know he is ignoring my husband.
Now we don't know what to do. Yes, our dumb mistake. We should have known better, obviously. But is there anything at all we can do to obtain a title? I have read that beyond a certain year, a title isn't required to register and get a plate for it. I've also read that we can obtain a Title Bond and then be issued a title if it doesn't come up stolen. Any other ideas? |
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  Independent Cuss
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Location: Dearing, GA | My first thought would be to find out if the trailer is stolen. That sounds incredibly sketchy to me. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | I would get legal advice from an attorney.
I purchased a truck with cash from a guy who said the title was lost. Filed for a lost title and the truck had been stolen from up north and broght to Oklahoma. I filed for a new title in Tx and had the Sheriff himself show up at my door step the next morning. It took months to get it all straight. I didn't end up with the truck, but I got my cash back and purchased one from another individual that had the title in hand.
You can always contact the sheriffs office or police station and ask them what you can do. Give them the address and name of the person that showed it to you. Who knows the "neighbor" might've been the Seller himself!
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Industrial Srength Barrel Racer
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| Ask Cindy Hamilton, she's a trailer dealer, she might be able to help, or answer questions. |
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 Total Germophobe
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Location: Montana | Did you pay for the trailer by check and did you have a bill of sale made out? If not, it is going to be a little bit hard to get a title. If you did, you can get a bonded title and go through that process. I'm not familiar with the Arizona titling process, I can only tell you what can be done where I am at. Technically, especially if you paid by check, you have a paper trail back to him so he HAS to supply you a title or help you get one. What I would do is send him a certified/return receipt letter stating what you need...if he refuses to pick up the letter, then it shows bad faith on his part, that he is not willing to cooperate or stay in touch and looks bad on his part. At that point in time, I would get legal advice and go from there. But this is, again, coming from my own experience (work at a car dealership, partly as a title clerk) and what is doable in Montana.
Edited by mtcanchazer 2015-03-05 11:34 AM
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I just read the headlines
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| I'd just let him know that you will be contacting the police about finding out if it is a stolen trailer. My sister had to do threaten with calling the police once when selling a horse. People usually respond quickly after that. |
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Serious Snap Trapper
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | No paper trail here. We paid in cash. And no bill of sale as he wasn't present. I know, I know. What were we thinking? We were blinded by a good deal that we knew someone else would pounce on. So we trusted him. |
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Location: Some where | Don't know about AZ. but my brother bought a stock trailer in Louisiana and couldn't get the paper work and title for it either. He had to get a State Trooper to come out, inspect it and stamp it like it was a home made stock trailer and had to applied for the title and registration like that. |
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 Hawty & Nawty
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| ~BINGO~ - 2015-03-06 10:38 AM No paper trail here. We paid in cash. And no bill of sale as he wasn't present. I know, I know. What were we thinking? We were blinded by a good deal that we knew someone else would pounce on. So we trusted him.
Save your text messages for evidence. Take the trailer to the DMV for an inspection. If it's not reported stolen file for a bonded title. If it is, you're out a trailer but you have your text messages to prove your case. |
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Location: White Mountains of AZ | RidenFly - 2015-03-05 10:55 AM
~BINGO~ - 2015-03-06 10:38 AM No paper trail here. We paid in cash. And no bill of sale as he wasn't present. I know, I know. What were we thinking? We were blinded by a good deal that we knew someone else would pounce on. So we trusted him.
Save your text messages for evidence. Take the trailer to the DMV for an inspection. If it's not reported stolen file for a bonded title. If it is, you're out a trailer but you have your text messages to prove your case.
Yes! this^^^ |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | QH<3er - 2015-03-05 1:01 PM RidenFly - 2015-03-05 10:55 AM ~BINGO~ - 2015-03-06 10:38 AM No paper trail here. We paid in cash. And no bill of sale as he wasn't present. I know, I know. What were we thinking? We were blinded by a good deal that we knew someone else would pounce on. So we trusted him. Save your text messages for evidence. Take the trailer to the DMV for an inspection. If it's not reported stolen file for a bonded title. If it is, you're out a trailer but you have your text messages to prove your case. Yes! this^^^
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Location: where ever my L/Q trl is parked | Sorry for your troubles....but I'm glad I'm not the only one that tries to see everyone as being honest. I'm not perfect but I try to be honest when selling something or I don't sell and trash it. I just got screwed over by a company that does custom jobs, got some $$$ back but not all. |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | It is possible to file for a replacement title on certain things. However, that will vary from state to state and can be very difficult.
We ran into an issue with a horse trailer, 17 foot steel goseneck stock. We bought it in South Carolina. Back then, and it still may be the case now, SC doesn't require trailer registration. So when we bought it, paid in cash, got bill of sale, seller signed the title and gave it to us. End of story. When we moved to Georgia we never used the trailer. It literally sat for two years killing the grass.
Then we moved to Missouri. When we went to register the trailer, Missouri refused it because our last state of residence was Georgia, and they said we would have had to changed the title to GA first. Well....GA will only do it if the sale was noterized, which is was not.....
So.....we just "lost" the title, had the seller redo the bill of sale in my name, and Missouri gave us a new title.
It was a hell of a headache, and we still had the seller helping us out....but there are ways it can be done. |
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 Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | dont you need a bill of sale to obtain a lost title? that was a huge mistake.cash and no bill of sale.. if trailer is stolen you could get in a mess with no papertrail and no bos .
Edited by Bibliafarm 2015-03-05 8:37 PM
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Location: USA | Take it to the DMV and see if it has a title and make sure it's not stolen. You taking it to them, you should not get in trouble if in fact it is stolen. And you have text messages, addresses and names that you can give to police if needed and if you need to press charges yourself. |
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Serious Snap Trapper
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | Yes we did make a huge mistake. The guy emailed us today. Said he bought the trailer free and clear and said he's out of the country. He said he sent the title out already and we should have already received it but will get a duplicate. So we will see what happens. I appreciate the options that you guys have suggested and if we don't receive a title, we will pursue further. |
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Location: Right Where I'm Meant To Be :) | Don't know about your earlier question but this response from his smells even worse than the first!! Please tell me you're not buying that too  |
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | ~BINGO~ - 2015-03-05 9:07 PM Yes we did make a huge mistake. The guy emailed us today. Said he bought the trailer free and clear and said he's out of the country. He said he sent the title out already and we should have already received it but will get a duplicate. So we will see what happens. I appreciate the options that you guys have suggested and if we don't receive a title, we will pursue further. I feel bad for you I hope he is being honest .. good luck.. maybe it will have a happy ending..to get a new registration and tag you need a bill of sale to.. and a title here anyway..
Edited by Bibliafarm 2015-03-05 8:39 PM
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Hawty & Nawty
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| Out of the country? No flipping way. |
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 The BHW Book Worm
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| Someone stole our horse trailer last year and sold it to someone in your exact position. They seen the trailer on crime stoppers and turned it it 3 months after it was taken. He sold it within 12 hours of taking it. They have to get them off there hands quick so the price is right. I felt horrible for the people.
I was so thankful because no time in the near future would I ever be able to buy another trailer.
Edited by Thistle2011 2015-03-05 9:09 PM
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