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Location: Oklahoma City OK | 'Found out over the weekend that a gelding that I know is being offered for sale and the first "post" (not on here) I saw listed him as 14 years old (he's 19) and as grade (he's registered). In my eyes, not only is that fraud, but someone is going to buy what they think is a 14 year old horse, treat him accordingly, when in actuality he's 19 and deserves the respect and care of a 19 year old horse. The seller changed the text as soon as I questioned her but I bet she's still representing him as a grade 14 year old. How can people do those things and live with themselves?!?!?!?
Edited by smmthbr 2015-03-10 8:57 AM
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  Playing the Waiting Game
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| Playing devils advocate... Maybe she believes if people think he is 14 he may have less chance ending up heading to Mexico. |
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Location: Texas | Still not a good reason to misrepresent horse being sold. Hope he finds a good home. |
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Dog Rescue Hero
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Location: Oklahoma City OK | He's a GOOD horse, good broke - doubtful he's going to head to Mexico...shouldn't be hard to sell...but how would you feel if you bought a horse thinking he was 14 and without papers and then finding out not only was he 19 and with papers but with exceptional breeding? |
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Location: Jersey Girl | smmthbr - 2015-03-10 10:03 AM He's a GOOD horse, good broke - doubtful he's going to head to Mexico...shouldn't be hard to sell...but how would you feel if you bought a horse thinking he was 14 and without papers and then finding out not only was he 19 and with papers but with exceptional breeding?
I wouldn't like it but unfortunately its always buyer beware. |
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Location: Kentucky | Maybe the person selling him now bought this horse "as a grade 14 year old"? They may have been dupped from the person they bought him from. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I'm not sure that I would be "that" upset over it. As a buyer, I know that I must be cautious and do my research. |
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Location: N Texas | I have no idea how people can purposely misrepresent something and not feel bad about it.
Many, many years ago, my sister bought her very first mini donkey. She was told he was about 2 or 3 years old or so. She took him to the vet and was told he was actually closer to 20. That's a pretty big gap! She didn't have enough experience to know the difference between a 2 year old and 20 year old donkey, but sure knows now! She was pretty mad about being lied to, but didn't do anything about it. |
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| smmthbr - 2015-03-10 9:03 AM He's a GOOD horse, good broke - doubtful he's going to head to Mexico...shouldn't be hard to sell...but how would you feel if you bought a horse thinking he was 14 and without papers and then finding out not only was he 19 and with papers but with exceptional breeding?
If he were priced right and I liked him... If I'm buying a GRADE horse it's up to me to decide if he's worth the price.. BUT to find out later he's registered wouldn't bother me... He's a GELDING breeding doesn't mean anything. I'm obviously not breed showing if I'm looking a grade horses... The age thing I personally feel I'd be able to figure out he may be older than 14. Probably wouldn't be an issue to me either. |
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Location: Oklahoma City OK | No, I know she was made aware of the horse's age and registration status.
Maybe I'm too close to the situation but I'm surprised that more aren't appalled by the FRAUD aspect. Doesn't say much for the industry we're involved in, does it? Okay, I'll let it go then.....
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If the seller is KNOWINGLY mis-representing the age and breed status of this gelding...I'd wonder what else they might be lying about. Yes it's buyer beware...but right is right...and misrepresenting that horse is wrong no matter how ya slice it. |
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| Gunner11 - 2015-03-10 9:18 AM I have no idea how people can purposely misrepresent something and not feel bad about it. Many, many years ago, my sister bought her very first mini donkey. She was told he was about 2 or 3 years old or so. She took him to the vet and was told he was actually closer to 20. That's a pretty big gap! She didn't have enough experience to know the difference between a 2 year old and 20 year old donkey, but sure knows now! She was pretty mad about being lied to, but didn't do anything about it.
Well that was her bad!! Most people have a knowledgable person go to buy thier FIRST anything... Maybe your sister should of done research BEFORE making the purchase. I'll bet the horse trader saw her coming!! I'm not justifying it just saying how it IS. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Why is she selling him witout papers? Is it because his age is on there and shes worried that no body will buy a 19 year old, that would be silly on her part. But its always buyer beware.  |
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Location: Online | Simple. The potential buyer should get a vet check. Any vet worth a pinch of poop could tell that he's 19, not 14. Then the potential buyer can call her out on the lie.
One of my biggest pet peeves is dishonest sellers, but you can't fix stupid, so it falls on buyer beware. |
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| rodeomom13 - 2015-03-10 10:15 AM
Simple. The potential buyer should get a vet check. Any vet worth a pinch of poop could tell that he's 19, not 14. Then the potential buyer can call her out on the lie.
One of my biggest pet peeves is dishonest sellers, but you can't fix stupid, so it falls on buyer beware.
I was told once after the age of 12 no person can really with accuracy determine the age of a horse. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | rodeomom13 - 2015-03-10 10:15 AM Simple. The potential buyer should get a vet check. Any vet worth a pinch of poop could tell that he's 19, not 14. Then the potential buyer can call her out on the lie.
One of my biggest pet peeves is dishonest sellers, but you can't fix stupid, so it falls on buyer beware.
This is why I don't understand why the OP is so upset. AGREED It is very wrong to misrepresent a horse. Especially a horse you respect and feel deserves a good retirement home. At the same time, if a seller won't let me vet check a horse, try the horse out, or go over the horse with a fine toothed comb before I buy, I ain't buyin.
People wouldn't be duped all the time if they would just vet check. I am no where near financially ready to purchase and care for another horse, but when I am, you can guarantee I will save up enough to vet check every horse I am interested in that doesn't come from a person I know or a horse I know all the history on. As buyers we should understand this cost is essential in finding the perfect horse for us and it most definitley keeps us safe as buyers. At least then we know what we are getting in to when we buy the horse.
Kind of like buying a used car with a carfax report. If thatreport tells you hey, this things got a ton of miles and has never been maintaned, you know not to buy that car. Same goes for horses. |
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| cheryl makofka - 2015-03-10 11:24 AM
rodeomom13 - 2015-03-10 10:15 AM
Simple. The potential buyer should get a vet check. Any vet worth a pinch of poop could tell that he's 19, not 14. Then the potential buyer can call her out on the lie.
One of my biggest pet peeves is dishonest sellers, but you can't fix stupid, so it falls on buyer beware.
I was told once after the age of 12 no person can really with accuracy determine the age of a horse.
Most vets (even good ones) would never be able to tell the difference between 19 and 14, only if the gelding were much older would be able to tell a large difference. |
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Location: N Texas | suzy2qtee - 2015-03-10 9:24 AM
Gunner11 - 2015-03-10 9:18 AM I have no idea how people can purposely misrepresent something and not feel bad about it. Many, many years ago, my sister bought her very first mini donkey. She was told he was about 2 or 3 years old or so. She took him to the vet and was told he was actually closer to 20. That's a pretty big gap! She didn't have enough experience to know the difference between a 2 year old and 20 year old donkey, but sure knows now! She was pretty mad about being lied to, but didn't do anything about it.
Well that was her bad!! Most people have a knowledgable person go to buy thier FIRST anything... Maybe your sister should of done research BEFORE making the purchase. I'll bet the horse trader saw her coming!! I'm not justifying it just saying how it IS.
Oh I know, she doesn't question anyone, just takes them at their word. He was super cheap, so she didn't make a big fuss about it. It was definitely a lesson learned! |
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Dog Rescue Hero
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Location: Oklahoma City OK | I am upset because it is FRAUD in the horse business and that isn't good for anyone else in the horse business. Hence the reason for the term HORSE TRADER being a negative implication. Most newbies getting into the horse industry or barrel world don't know enough about the foibles of buying a horse, especially one that's not real expensive, to make them require a vet check....they are naiive enough to trust the people selling the horse. It's usually just us that have been burned that now know better and will require a vet check. I know though that I have purchased inexpensive horses from trusted sources without going to the expense of a vet check. Yes, I understand Buyer Beware but really, shouldn't we all be trying to cultivate a better image through honest representation? I guess I will get over being SO UPSET and just shake my head at the lack of integrity and honesty and hope this good horse goes to someone that will treat him with respect due his age and not like he's a 14 year old. |
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Location: South Dakota | Wrong is wrong in my book. Stuff like this is very frusterating.
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