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Location: NeverLand | If you had a nice halter mare would you breed her with a stud built with speed? Like and studs with dash for cash, frenchmans guy or any other high up stud. Would it be a nice foal? I don't know much about halter horses, so im wondering if anyone has experience with this.
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| I would not. Halter horses are not built like performance horses. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | streakysox - 2015-03-18 5:41 PM I would not. Halter horses are not built like performance horses.
I agree with this. 99% of them (truly halter bred to win at halter) would not make a very good riding horse. |
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| It would depend on the mare and her blood lines. Some blood lines carry a lot of run in them so maybe. |
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| Doc Bar was bred to be a race horse, top and bottom. Instead, he became a top halter horse sire and turned the cutting horse industry on its ear. Conformation and desire will determine if your halter mare can produce something besides another pretty face. |
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Location: NeverLand | http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/showdowns+conclusion This is the dam
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/td+kid This is the sire to the mare |
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Location: Southern Oregon | I guess a better question would be WHY would you breed her to a speed bred stud? Personally it would be a BIG NO for me. |
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Location: Texas | Nope. |
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Location: ND | No, most halter horses do not have the conformation to stay sound running barrels. They're way to specialized to what wins in the halter ring and no longer built for versatility and performance. |
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The sire's maternal grand dam is bred very similar to Regers He Might, a very good barrel horse and sire. He was most well known in Kansas i think. I am not an Impressive fan as he was bred to run, but refused to train so they got him a permanent number on a hardship clause. His refusal to train as a race horse could have been due to the double muscling that made him a fantastic halter sire and HYPP we now know about associated with the double muscling factor. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | BMW - 2015-03-18 6:11 PM Doc Bar was bred to be a race horse, top and bottom. Instead, he became a top halter horse sire and turned the cutting horse industry on its ear. Conformation and desire will determine if your halter mare can produce something besides another pretty face.
Doc Bar is not a fair assessment of that due to the fact that back then if they couldn't run, they showed them. They still did All Around back then. Now AQHA is breeds within breeds-cutters, western pleasure, HUS, race, halter. Rarely do you have one that is truly bred to do one thing, that can do another. The closest ones that will cross over for barrels are your race and cutters obviously. They bred the run (and brains according to my husband) out of the WP, HUS and halter horses. Sometimes I agree with him (I have my own show horse). |
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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | wyoming barrel racer - 2015-03-18 6:57 PM
BMW - 2015-03-18 6:11 PM Doc Bar was bred to be a race horse, top and bottom. Instead, he became a top halter horse sire and turned the cutting horse industry on its ear. Conformation and desire will determine if your halter mare can produce something besides another pretty face.
Doc Bar is not a fair assessment of that due to the fact that back then if they couldn't run, they showed them. They still did All Around back then. Now AQHA is breeds within breeds-cutters, western pleasure, HUS, race, halter. Rarely do you have one that is truly bred to do one thing, that can do another. The closest ones that will cross over for barrels are your race and cutters obviously. They bred the run (and brains according to my husband) out of the WP, HUS and halter horses. Sometimes I agree with him (I have my own show horse).
how about Sierra Te? All race bred but was a halter pony
Race bred up the HIND END! yet he never ran to my knowledge and was a halter pony with over 100 Halter points
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| Before I even consider breeding the mare, I would do a 5 panel test.
Also what would you be using the foal for?
If you want to sell the foal with all the impressive line breeding you will have a hard time.
I would also look at how the mare moves, if she flows, has a nice stride length, then I may just for me if the mare comes back 5 panel negative |
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I wouldnt breed anything questionable just because of the amount of time you will have invested into it, but I would most certainly buy any 3 or 4 yo that showed potential to be a good barrel horse regardless of the papers. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Fancie_That_Chrome_ - 2015-03-18 7:02 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2015-03-18 6:57 PM BMW - 2015-03-18 6:11 PM Doc Bar was bred to be a race horse, top and bottom. Instead, he became a top halter horse sire and turned the cutting horse industry on its ear. Conformation and desire will determine if your halter mare can produce something besides another pretty face. Doc Bar is not a fair assessment of that due to the fact that back then if they couldn't run, they showed them. They still did All Around back then. Now AQHA is breeds within breeds-cutters, western pleasure, HUS, race, halter. Rarely do you have one that is truly bred to do one thing, that can do another. The closest ones that will cross over for barrels are your race and cutters obviously. They bred the run (and brains according to my husband) out of the WP, HUS and halter horses. Sometimes I agree with him (I have my own show horse). how about Sierra Te? All race bred but was a halter pony Race bred up the HIND END! yet he never ran to my knowledge and was a halter pony with over 100 Halter points
Because his sire Te N Te (1973 model) was marketed to be a halter sire and Impressive had not yet hit the scenes (1969 model) as a super star Halter horse/sire. I imagine both were bred to race, either they did and flunked or were never started so they decided to halter them. They were massively built, probably WHY they couldn't run so they knew they could make halter horses. This is not done anymore. There are a few race breds that can pick up enough points in halter to try for AQHA Champion or Supreme Champion honors. But we are talking a horse that was bred to HALTER being turned into a speedster. Not going to happen often enough for me to breed for it. A race bred horse being turned into a HALTER horse has happened and can again, but I wouldn't bet my money on one. Be around the AQHA show world and politics take over... |
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| Itsme - 2015-03-18 8:17 PM
First off I know nothing...
I wouldnt breed anything questionable just because of the amount of time you will have invested into it, but I would most certainly buy any 3 or 4 yo that showed potential to be a good barrel horse regardless of the papers.
For not knowing anything---you do have pretty good point. Would be a heck of a lot cheaper and you would know what you are getting. |
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| BMW - 2015-03-18 7:11 PM
Doc Bar was bred to be a race horse, top and bottom. Instead, he became a top halter horse sire and turned the cutting horse industry on its ear. Conformation and desire will determine if your halter mare can produce something besides another pretty face.
Doc Bar was foaled in 1956. Back in those days the halter horses were performance horses. I used to do very well in halter with my barrel horse in the 1960's. Today halter horses are bred for that and are not used for anything else. You might get a subscription to the Quarter Horse Journal. Look at the halter stallions. It is really very sad. Or better yet go to an AQHA show and see first hand. This is really not A GOOD EXAMPLE. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Te N Te per the Legends book had a hock injury that resulted in him being unable to race so they showed him at halter. He only had 6 race winners earning $6k proving the mentality that they either couldn't run or they had the mindset of why breed to him for race when he was obviously siring halter horses that could win-Sierra Te for example. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | There has been more then a few occasions I look at a horses pedigree and I say to myself "Huh? What were they thinking?!!!!!" |
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