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| Over the last year or so, the community I live in has had several youth suicides. In the last 2 weeks 2 teenagers died and and 4 were attempts that did not result in the loss of thier life. For reference our community only has about 5,000 people.
There was another school about 100 miles north of us that has 6 kids commit suicide in one week. This really has me scratching my head wondering WTH is going on.
So last night, me and a guy I work with made a group of boy scouts watch the following video. Kinda a strange choice for a group of 12 and 13 year old boys, but I think the message is the same. Anyway, it is a little older but worth watching or watching again if you may have already seen it.
It is about 6 minutes long and you need to be able to hear it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=litXW91UauE
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Location: Where I am happiest | It is very very sad indeed. Their life is just beginning! I would like to know what the few that attempted it, what they are saying now as to the why? Why would anybody that age think they have nothing to live for? I dont get it either but I do hope they start speaking out so we can all be more informed and able to help before it comes to that. |
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| ThreeCorners - 2015-03-26 11:35 AM It is very very sad indeed. Their life is just beginning! I would like to know what the few that attempted it, what they are saying now as to the why? Why would anybody that age think they have nothing to live for? I dont get it either but I do hope they start speaking out so we can all be more informed and able to help before it comes to that.
One of them commented to his grandma that works for me, that he just didn't fit it. He is into the theater stuff and in a small town I can understand how that would make you feel different, but really its that bad that you want to take your life. And several of these are seniors in High School. If they only realized how life changes for them in just a few short months. |
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| That was a NEAT video!
My hometown had a RASH of suicides back in the late 80s. The sad/weird/strange thing is, they were all kids that were in a church study group (which I was in too) - there was nothing "funny" going on with the leader and none of us even SUSPECTED this of the ones who took their lives. It will be with me forever, wondering WHY and why could NONE of us even SEE it was to come?
My dad is in a nursing home back home where one of the mothers is, who's son committed suicide. She has dementia. She came to sit with my dad, my aunt and I in the cafeteria and she talked about 3 of her kids (I went to school with all 4 of them), then she got to the son and she said, "You know David took his own life." I told her, "Yes, I remember that and it was very sad," all while thinking - that poor woman has had this on her mind and has had this cross to bear for ALL those years. It's been said that her whole family has suffered from severe depression, I don't know if that's the case with all those kids or what. It's just a terrible, sad thing no matter. |
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Location: MD | not saying this is why but, kids are so mean. especially with the technology and the ability to remain anonymous.... and you never know what is really going on behind closed doors in their own homes... I feel very sad for kids feeling like they have nothing left to live for. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | In my humble opinion, we have raised weak minded people. I know not all, but the crap my 6yr old son whines about my dad would have had a meltdown had I done that. We don't cater to him, but I don't think most kids of that generation 2000's could have any survival skills as a whole. They just can't think for themselves. They can't take anything disrupting their rainbows and butterflies kind of life. I guess I have no idea how to explain what I am talking about, but compare the needy kids of today to our grandparents and great grandparents generations.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Crowned Image - 2015-03-26 10:42 AM not saying this is why but, kids are so mean. especially with the technology and the ability to remain anonymous.... and you never know what is really going on behind closed doors in their own homes... I feel very sad for kids feeling like they have nothing left to live for. and this as well. Kids are so nasty to start with, but they can continue their taunting by computer or phone with todays technology.
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| The last week was has been very rough for my hometown community. Three young lives were lost, all for different reasons, but one of them was a suicide. He was 25, had a great job, super popular, good looking, and seemed to have everything you could want in a life. I don't think anyone has any idea why he did it. Did he hit a rough spot and just not know how to handle it because his life had been so "perfect?" Was it something he had thought about for awhile or was it a spur of the moment decision. I am heartbroken for his family. His brother and I were friends all through school and this kid was like a younger brother. |
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Location: EDGE OF INSANITY | i know i young lady who is 16, that overdosed on her mothers sleeping pills last week because she is upset about her weight. Thank god her mom found her in time. I don't understand it, but i do know how cruel kids can be to one another. I guess i was lucky in the fact that i just didn't give a crap what others thought. I was that "crazy horse girl" in high school, and i actually had another girl neigh at me like a horse every time we passed in the hall-to me, it was hilarious, because i guess she was oblivious to the fact that she had a horse face, hahaha. I have a very tender hearted 9 year old and i worry about him constantly. He has come home and repeated some really ugly things that other kids have said to him (where you want to reply- "go tell that kid to f off", but thats not acceptable lol) |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | So tragic. Our area saw an increase in teen sucides and sucide attempts a couple of years ago. It is estimated that for every successful suicide there are 250 attempts. We worked with Mental Health America to provide QPR (Question, Persude and Refer). This training is excellent for teachers, parents, nurses, girl/boy scout leaders, all school staff, mentors, churches, any group that deals with youth. QPR is something most anyone can learn to help prevent suicide which is the 3rd leading cause of death among children ages 10-24. This may be something you may want to look into - or pass this along to someone that could help with this.
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Location: Kentucky | wyoming barrel racer - 2015-03-26 12:42 PM In my humble opinion, we have raised week minded people. I know not all, but the crap my 6yr old son whines about my dad would have had a meltdown had I done that. We don't cater to him, but I don't think most kids of that generation 2000's could have any survival skills as a whole. They just can't think for themselves. They can't take anything disrupting their rainbows and butterflies kind of life. I guess I have no idea how to explain what I am talking about, but compare the needy kids of today to our grandparents and great grandparents generations.
I completely agree with this. Parents are giving their children anything and everything they ask for. There is no such thing as "no". I have a 15 year old niece and a 6 year old nephew and they are never told "no" and they literally have anything they want. My niece threw a HUGE fit when she wasn't able to get an iPhone when she was 9 years old. Are you kidding me? I told her she doesn't know how good she has it.
Social media is a also a huge problem. Kids don't realize what they say on the internet is real and hurtful. They hide behind screen names, FB, Twitter, etc. My niece was involved in a nasty post on Instragram about her appearence. It's sickening and pathetic.
I watched the movie Fury the other night and thanked God it was the Greatest Generation that fought for our country, and not the one that we are breeding for now. Yikes. |
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| cruise - 2015-03-26 12:04 PM So tragic. Our area saw an increase in teen sucides and sucide attempts a couple of years ago. It is estimated that for every successful suicide there are 250 attempts. We worked with Mental Health America to provide QPR (Question, Persude and Refer). This training is excellent for teachers, parents, nurses, girl/boy scout leaders, all school staff, mentors, churches, any group that deals with youth. QPR is something most anyone can learn to help prevent suicide which is the 3rd leading cause of death among children ages 10-24. This may be something you may want to look into - or pass this along to someone that could help with this.
Thank you for that information. Much appreciated. |
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Location: Missouri | It's because parents no longer have any involvement in their children's life! They set them down in front of a tv or game system and that's how they are raised. I was raised at a dinner table with my parents actively being involved in my life. If I had bullies, troubles, grade issues, anything, my parents knew about it. They also didn't allow me to bully children less fortunate than myself. If I was heard making fun of someone my parents whooped my butt and gave me a lesson on what I should really see before I make fun of someone. This bullying craze has gone on too long! Parents need to step up and control their children! It's not the children's fault directly. Look at the parents. Where are they, what do they do, and how they handle situations such as bullying and poor behavior.
I suffer from depression and take medication from time to time and have a great support system from friends and family members who keep me going. On my rough days I talk to those who life me up or spend time with my animals. I grew up thinking I had it so tough! I had bullies and issues that caused me to think taking my own life would solve everything. Luckily, or I should say unfortunately, I had a best friend who took is own life. It OPENED my eyes. I realized that suicide doesn't stop pain, it causes more!
More education on depression, the effects of bullies, and lack of parents would help people understand that children need structure in their lives from adolescents. This country and society is getting out of control! |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | In my opinion it's social media. One rude, harsh, or snide comment about a young girl's changing body could devestate her or haunt her for life. Most young boys in the public school sector are very disrespectful to young girls and have no problem with telling the girl that is interested in them that they are not interested and giving her a whole list of reasons why. Just to make himself look cool.
Don't get my started on how mean young girls are to each other either on social media... That's a different story entirely.
it's sad.
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| Very sad... I live on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation and it seems like there's a suicide once a week. Just had 2 this week in the community I live in.. Makes me sick.. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | horsepoor1 - 2015-03-26 11:55 AM i know i young lady who is 16, that overdosed on her mothers sleeping pills last week because she is upset about her weight. Thank god her mom found her in time. I don't understand it, but i do know how cruel kids can be to one another. I guess i was lucky in the fact that i just didn't give a crap what others thought. I was that "crazy horse girl" in high school, and i actually had another girl neigh at me like a horse every time we passed in the hall-to me, it was hilarious, because i guess she was oblivious to the fact that she had a horse face, hahaha. I have a very tender hearted 9 year old and i worry about him constantly. He has come home and repeated some really ugly things that other kids have said to him (where you want to reply- "go tell that kid to f off", but thats not acceptable lol)
 This made me giggle because it sounds like something I would think to say. |
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| It is an incredibly tragic epidemic that in my mind is somewhat man made. Parents donet take the time to sit down and talk to their kids anymore. Both parents and children are glued to technology and that is where their time is spent after school and on the weekends.
Children are not made to be uncomfortable anymore. They are handed everything they want and not made to work anything so they can "fit in" or leave their parents alone. They are not taught how to shrug things off or allowed to stand up for themselves. If someone makes them slightly uncomfortable they are told they need to tell an adult. I understand this to a certain extent but not everything that is said to them or about them in a negative way is bullying
We have also stressed being tolerant so much, their is a large of children who don't understand that not everyone is tolerant and they don't understand who to deal with it.
AND in my opinion, good old fashion ass whooping should not be handled as an assault. Charges should not be pressed because Bobby had enough of Billy crap and finally popped him in the nose over it. Working in a school, talking to students involved in bullying only goes so far especially if they come from homes with little morals or regard for human life. Last year we had a fight start between two 7th grade boys. The bigger boy had picked on the little one all year, we had counseling, police intervention, talks on end and even suspensions for it. Finally the littler one had enough and handled it on his own. One good right hook to the nose and it was all over. He didn't have problems with the bigger student the rest of the year but the bigger one pressed charges for assault. I think the judge throw out the charges but still the very fact that it was considered was crazy in my mind.
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Location: SE Louisiana | I sat down the other day and did some numbers that make me want to do the same thing. Maybe some of these kids were thinking about the same thing.
Is there anybody here that has NOT seen 2001 A Space Odyssey? Remember the opening clip? A bunch of Cave Men sitting in a circle. If you go out and spend one million dollars a day... for an entire year.. at the end of that year you have spent 365 million dollars... In order for you to pay off our 17 trillion dollar national debt at this rate it will take you over 46,500 years. JESUS CHRIST was born a smidgeon over 2000 years ago.... Mesopotamia and the cradle of human civilization was ..what?? 6 or 7 thousand years ago?? If you go back 30,000 years you're into the last ice age... Trip on back 46,000 years and you get to star in that opening clip of 2001 ASO.... Stone Age stuff...
...and all this has been done right under our noses.... WITH our blessing... I don't know about anyone else but it's enough to make me want to kill myself.. |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | Whiteboy - 2015-03-26 1:06 PM cruise - 2015-03-26 12:04 PM So tragic. Our area saw an increase in teen sucides and sucide attempts a couple of years ago. It is estimated that for every successful suicide there are 250 attempts. We worked with Mental Health America to provide QPR (Question, Persude and Refer). This training is excellent for teachers, parents, nurses, girl/boy scout leaders, all school staff, mentors, churches, any group that deals with youth. QPR is something most anyone can learn to help prevent suicide which is the 3rd leading cause of death among children ages 10-24. This may be something you may want to look into - or pass this along to someone that could help with this. Thank you for that information. Much appreciated.
You are very welcome. Hope it is helpful. Thank you for your efforts to address a very tragic part of our society. |
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| So.. I had horrible depression as a teen. Just one huge emotional raging mess in all honesty. Suicide crossed my mind a lot, and you know... when I think back there is seriously no rim or reason for it. I'm quirky as all get out, even more today than I was then. Have had the same great friends for years. 16 years now. No one EVER picked on me... I was the one NO ONE messed with, and no one messed with my brother either. I am intelligent, witty, and super bubbly. but for some reason, I feel like it's a stage of life for some people. Like a personal demon that comes after a select few. It takes things that really, aren't all that bad in the grand scheme of things, like over due homework, someone being hateful at school, arguments with mom and dad, little snide comments only a sibling can make that digs... and turns those things into something someone can chew over for hours and torment themselves with.
After those years passed for me, I look back and saw how stupid and honestly selfish I was being. But because of it, I'm very emotionally aware and in tune with others. I can tell by someones eyes now when they're fighting that demon. And have intervened several times when someone needed help. The thing is, to remind them even after a fight that it's going to be okay. AND GOD... because in my darkest hours.. I always cried out for his help. God always listens. If children have God, he will see them through. |
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