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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Mare and stallion mate and make a baby. Embryo is "flushed" out and reinserted in to a recepient mare. She carries the foal. |
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| LRQHS - 2015-03-26 5:25 PM Mare and stallion mate and make a baby. Embryo is "flushed" out and reinserted in to a recepient mare. She carries the foal.
This way you get to still compete on the mare. Sherry Cervi had a Stingray baby cooking while she competed on her all year. |
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| What approximately does this cost? Not the stud fee or the recip mare fee, but the charge to flush the egg from your mare and implant it into the recip are. I'm sure most vets charge different prices but on average how much? Like a couple hundred or more? |
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Location: SE Louisiana | LRQHS - 2015-03-26 5:25 PM
Mare and stallion mate and make a baby. Embryo is "flushed" out and reinserted in to a recepient mare. She carries the foal.
In cows they give them shots to get several ovulations so they can flush multiple embryos in one flush. Is it the same with mares? |
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Location: Where I am happiest | You have to factor in the recipient mare. The recipient mare has to be in sync heat cycle wise for the embryo transfere to be sucessful so the repro facility will like to have 3 mares to work with on timing. The one who's exact is the winner of the transfere. You are looking at about $5000 by the time it's all said and done. Plus your normal stallion shipping fee's and stud fee. The flush the embryo at 8 days. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | ThreeCorners - 2015-03-26 10:22 PM
You have to factor in the recipient mare. The recipient mare has to be in sync heat cycle wise for the embryo transfere to be sucessful so the repro facility will like to have 3 mares to work with on timing. The one who's exact is the winner of the transfere. You are looking at about $5000 by the time it's all said and done. Plus your normal stallion shipping fee's and stud fee. The flush the embryo at 8 days.
I worked on a dairy of registered cows... They got in on this at the very beginning.... When they started they had to implant surgically.. When I left they were using straws to implant and could freeze any unused embryos. I assume they can't do this with horses yet?.. and yes they had to synch up several recipients to be in the same part of the cycle. |
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| HCHorses - 2015-03-26 8:16 PM
What approximately does this cost? Not the stud fee or the recip mare fee, but the charge to flush the egg from your mare and implant it into the recip are. I'm sure most vets charge different prices but on average how much? Like a couple hundred or more?
Basically you breed your mare (you pay stud fee/shipping fees ect whatever that is) your mare is in foal for roughly 7-10 days, they flush the embryo(s) with sterile saline solution, the embryos and some of the saline catch in a cup with a filter, the vet then searches for the embryo in a microscope, the vet puts the embryo with more solution in another tube after cleaning it, then transfer the embryo into a recipient mare that is on the exact same heat cycle as you mare...and the embryo continues to grow. Embryos are rated on a scale of 1-5 (5 being the worest) . Flush and breeding costs about $450, and recipient costs about $1500, for me it's worth it because the only Mares I have I also run at the rodeos and I can continue to run them while the embryo develops in the recipient mare for the remainder of gestation. I didn't notice any pain or discomfort while they flush the embryos and my mare has been completely fine afterwards. So I see it as essentially for an extra 1500 im getting a very nicely bred foal without having to stop riding my mare, minus that first week :) it's pretty awesome what science can do.
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| komet. - 2015-03-26 8:21 PM
LRQHS - 2015-03-26 5:25 PM
Mare and stallion mate and make a baby. Embryo is "flushed" out and reinserted in to a recepient mare. She carries the foal.
In cows they give them shots to get several ovulations so they can flush multiple embryos in one flush. Is it the same with mares?
Yes, it is true you can get multiple embryos in horses, but for the most part you are going to get 2 embryos, if not one at the time of the flush. All you need is one:) it just has to survive the transfer and not be rejected by the recipient mare :) |
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| komet. - 2015-03-26 8:37 PM
ThreeCorners - 2015-03-26 10:22 PM
You have to factor in the recipient mare. The recipient mare has to be in sync heat cycle wise for the embryo transfere to be sucessful so the repro facility will like to have 3 mares to work with on timing. The one who's exact is the winner of the transfere. You are looking at about $5000 by the time it's all said and done. Plus your normal stallion shipping fee's and stud fee. The flush the embryo at 8 days.
I worked on a dairy of registered cows... They got in on this at the very beginning.... When they started they had to implant surgically.. When I left they were using straws to implant and could freeze any unused embryos. I assume they can't do this with horses yet?.. and yes they had to synch up several recipients to be in the same part of the cycle.
You can freeze embryos on mares and yes you can implant with a straw, nothing is done surgically. :) |
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| luckygirl04 - 2015-03-27 3:29 AM
HCHorses - 2015-03-26 8:16 PM
What approximately does this cost? Not the stud fee or the recip mare fee, but the charge to flush the egg from your mare and implant it into the recip are. I'm sure most vets charge different prices but on average how much? Like a couple hundred or more?
Basically you breed your mare (you pay stud fee/shipping fees ect whatever that is ) your mare is in foal for roughly 7-10 days, they flush the embryo (s ) with sterile saline solution, the embryos and some of the saline catch in a cup with a filter, the vet then searches for the embryo in a microscope, the vet puts the embryo with more solution in another tube after cleaning it, then transfer the embryo into a recipient mare that is on the exact same heat cycle as you mare...and the embryo continues to grow. Embryos are rated on a scale of 1-5 (5 being the worest ) . Flush and breeding costs about $450, and recipient costs about $1500, for me it's worth it because the only Mares I have I also run at the rodeos and I can continue to run them while the embryo develops in the recipient mare for the remainder of gestation. I didn't notice any pain or discomfort while they flush the embryos and my mare has been completely fine afterwards. So I see it as essentially for an extra 1500 im getting a very nicely bred foal without having to stop riding my mare, minus that first week : ) it's pretty awesome what science can do.
where in the world do you pay these prices at?! I wanna move there lol |
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| astreakinchic - 2015-03-27 7:47 AM
luckygirl04 - 2015-03-27 3:29 AM
HCHorses - 2015-03-26 8:16 PM
What approximately does this cost? Not the stud fee or the recip mare fee, but the charge to flush the egg from your mare and implant it into the recip are. I'm sure most vets charge different prices but on average how much? Like a couple hundred or more?
Basically you breed your mare (you pay stud fee/shipping fees ect whatever that is ) your mare is in foal for roughly 7-10 days, they flush the embryo (s ) with sterile saline solution, the embryos and some of the saline catch in a cup with a filter, the vet then searches for the embryo in a microscope, the vet puts the embryo with more solution in another tube after cleaning it, then transfer the embryo into a recipient mare that is on the exact same heat cycle as you mare...and the embryo continues to grow. Embryos are rated on a scale of 1-5 (5 being the worest ) . Flush and breeding costs about $450, and recipient costs about $1500, for me it's worth it because the only Mares I have I also run at the rodeos and I can continue to run them while the embryo develops in the recipient mare for the remainder of gestation. I didn't notice any pain or discomfort while they flush the embryos and my mare has been completely fine afterwards. So I see it as essentially for an extra 1500 im getting a very nicely bred foal without having to stop riding my mare, minus that first week : ) it's pretty awesome what science can do.
where in the world do you pay these prices at?! I wanna move there lol
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| Check out West Plains equine facility. They have a embryo program you can enroll your mare in it cost a 1,000 and you get 4 embryos. You can furnish your own recip or lease theirs |
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| Where I am you are looking at $3500+ for the vet fees to transfer |
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Location: Texas | luckygirl04 - 2015-03-27 2:34 AM
komet. - 2015-03-26 8:21 PM
LRQHS - 2015-03-26 5:25 PM
Mare and stallion mate and make a baby. Embryo is "flushed" out and reinserted in to a recepient mare. She carries the foal.
In cows they give them shots to get several ovulations so they can flush multiple embryos in one flush. Is it the same with mares?
Yes, it is true you can get multiple embryos in horses, but for the most part you are going to get 2 embryos, if not one at the time of the flush. All you need is one: ) it just has to survive the transfer and not be rejected by the recipient mare : )
what Komet is talking about is super ovulating cows, where they will produce 4-8+ embryos in one cycle.
We do NOT superovulate horses!! DO NOT!
You *can* get multiple embryos out of a flush but that is just the process of the mare double ovulating. |
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Location: NE Arkansas | strawfly special - 2015-03-27 8:15 AM
Check out West Plains equine facility. They have a embryo program you can enroll your mare in it cost a 1,000 and you get 4 embryos. You can furnish your own recip or lease theirs
I use the vet at West Plains MO for all of my repro work. They are so nice up there and will explain everything. |
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Location: Texas | we just flushed for the first time. It wasn't for me, but they flushed one of my mares. So far, the procedure went really smooth. I called her when she came into heat, they took her to the vet, bred her that week, let her rest for a week and on day 7 they recovered an embryo and I picked her up that day. She was gone for two weeks. Now we are just waiting to hear if the recip took.
I would love to do it for myself but when its all said and done I never have the extra 3500-4000 on top to do it. |
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| Tn_Barrelracer - 2015-03-27 11:42 AM
Where I am you are looking at $3500+ for the vet fees to transfer
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Here is a clinic that does many of them. They helped with Charmayne James' Scamper. They should give you an idea on industry pricing for each part of these procedures including the flush and leasing the recip mare.
http://www.timbercreekveterinaryhospital.com/embryo.php |
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