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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | My horse is being legged up for this years nbha season by a 16 yo girl and when I'm watching her ride him he cross fires on the hind end at times. I would love to be able to help her stop this behavior. I automatically want to say oh maybe he's sore because he typically is in his back and has regular maintenance in his hocks, but there comes a time when horses work through that- they have been ridden for years without all this extra care my guy gets.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=926062737425107 Hope this video works it might not since our face books are private
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| My experience is that if they cross fire and leave their hocks out behind them, they are more than likely out in the sacroiliac. |
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Location: Wasagaming, Manitoba, Canada | SKM - 2015-04-12 6:52 PM My experience is that if they cross fire and leave their hocks out behind them, they are more than likely out in the sacroiliac.
This is my experience as well.
The video did not work - the video privacy settings need to be set to "public". |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | I've had 2 that crossfired when their hips were out. A trip to the chiro and they're both back in line. Hope this helps. :) |
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | https://www.facebook.com/lindsey.vetter/posts/10205061465753651
i I think I got it to where it's public. He gets regular chiro work |
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| If the horse is sound and has no physical issues, a good exercise to work on is hip control. Yielding the hindquarter in both directions with forward motion.
A horse has to maintain forward motion in order to hold a lead. When I see a horse crossfire, a lot of the time the horse isn't driving forward with it's hip in. They typically are hollowed out, dropping a shoulder in, forcing a hip out, and losing all their forward.
Think of a lead starting in the horse's hindquarters. Cant see the video, so not sure if thats what is going on, but perhaps something to keep in mind while watching her work. |
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | I'm working on uploading it to YouTube. I'm so bad with technology I apologize. He was dropping his shoulder on second but has been better |
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| The video is private still :) |
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | http://youtu.be/Dxg2jmxYi9k I just changed it to public thanks Jen! |
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Location: Bandera, TX | Stand behind your horse on an elevated surface if possible. Do you see symetry in the hindquarters. If not like the others above said suspect SI. If the horse is lame on flexion test treat the hocks/stifles first then the SI. The SI could be primary and most likely is if the horse has asymetrical hips/pelvis. Are you just starting to work the horse? If so, give it a couple of weeks to gain strength. Some are just very weak and cross fire due to their fitness. I see that most often in the two and three year olds in the round pen during starting. Not on a horse some what fit...think structural misalignments. |
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| The video just looks like the horse isnt using his hindquarters as much. He's maintaining a lead through the first barrel, but only changing in the front for 2nd and 3rd. Has he been taught to change leads after the first barrel? If not, perhaps slowing down after the first into a simple change, pushing the hip to the left and ask for a lead departure going into the second. If the horse changes hind lead through first to second, they he/she is kicking his body outwards... Continuing on and loping tight circles asking that horse to stay in lead around a barrel before moving forward. More than likely if this horse speeds up, he's probably not dragging a lead too much.
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | uno-dos-tres! - 2015-04-13 4:46 AM
Stand behind your horse on an elevated surface if possible. Do you see symetry in the hindquarters. If not like the others above said suspect SI. If the horse is lame on flexion test treat the hocks/stifles first then the SI. The SI could be primary and most likely is if the horse has asymetrical hips/pelvis. Are you just starting to work the horse? If so, give it a couple of weeks to gain strength. Some are just very weak and cross fire due to their fitness. I see that most often in the two and three year olds in the round pen during starting. Not on a horse some what fit...think structural misalignments.
He's never been lame in a flexion test. How do you go about fixing an SI issue? He has a prominent pelvic bone like most thoroughbreds do since he's appendix. |
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Location: In a happy place | FirstFirewater - 2015-04-13 9:35 AM uno-dos-tres! - 2015-04-13 4:46 AM Stand behind your horse on an elevated surface if possible. Do you see symetry in the hindquarters. If not like the others above said suspect SI. If the horse is lame on flexion test treat the hocks/stifles first then the SI. The SI could be primary and most likely is if the horse has asymetrical hips/pelvis. Are you just starting to work the horse? If so, give it a couple of weeks to gain strength. Some are just very weak and cross fire due to their fitness. I see that most often in the two and three year olds in the round pen during starting. Not on a horse some what fit...think structural misalignments. He's never been lame in a flexion test. How do you go about fixing an SI issue? He has a prominent pelvic bone like most thoroughbreds do since he's appendix.
uno-dos-tres knows her stuff. I would have to agree with her. |
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Crazy Doggy Mommy
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | The more I'm reading about SI symptoms the more I think he may be having an issue with it. This will mean another vet call with injections  Which he hates but if that's what gets him out of pain |
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Location: Oklahoma | Does he have a "hunters bump"? My gelding had one and he tested positive for EPM and also had his SI injected a month ago. After both of those treatments he looks like a different horse. I can't comment on the cross firing though because this happened while my gelding was on a lay off. Just now legging him back up. |
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | Longneck - 2015-04-13 5:09 PM Does he have a "hunters bump"? My gelding had one and he tested positive for EPM and also had his SI injected a month ago. After both of those treatments he looks like a different horse. I can't comment on the cross firing though because this happened while my gelding was on a lay off. Just now legging him back up.
Yes he has the hunters bump. He doesn't have any symptoms of rpm though. |
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Rad Dork
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Location: Oklahoma | FirstFirewater - 2015-04-13 5:50 PM Longneck - 2015-04-13 5:09 PM Does he have a "hunters bump"? My gelding had one and he tested positive for EPM and also had his SI injected a month ago. After both of those treatments he looks like a different horse. I can't comment on the cross firing though because this happened while my gelding was on a lay off. Just now legging him back up. Yes he has the hunters bump. He doesn't have any symptoms of rpm though.
Well, that's fortunate! I'll have to guess it's his SI. Good luck! |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | SKM - 2015-04-11 7:52 PM
My experience is that if they cross fire and leave their hocks out behind them, they are more than likely out in the sacroiliac.
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