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Location: North Dakota | I have a gelding that should be back to work here within a month or so, and I'm not sure what to do with him. He's amazing on barrels. He LOVES it. But the rest of the time he is just JACKED. He resembles a giraffe while being ridden (this despite being up to date always with teeth and working w/ the vet). He is spooky like no horse I've ever known. He just never calms down. I can lunge him and he just gets more and more worked up. My sister rides him in a Sherry Cervi Short Shank Twisted Dogbone. Which she can sorta stop him in but he will constantly gap his mouth when she tries to take up any sort of light contact. She's ridden him in a twisted snaffle with and without a german martingale, but has absolutely no control. He gets 1lb rice bran pellets, 2 lbs alfalfa pellets, a few handfulls of soaked beet pulp, Liquid 747, MSM, and probios. Plus has a large slow feed hay net so has grass hay almost 24/7. He's a good weight and very healthy looking. I've tried a calming supplement in the past that had no effect on him. I'm not sure if maybe I should try something else, and maybe another bit for riding. Any help is appreciated. |
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| I have one I feed timothy pellets to instead of alfalfa pellets. He looks just as good as the ones I feed alfalfa pellets to. Also, THE has a calming powder that is working for my gelding. He is not completely calm in places that give him anxiety, but he is remarkable better. I feed THE performance formula instead of the MM and add the calming and ulcer prevent and joint mix to it. I get the 80 dose bag and feed it once a day. so it lasts a good while and makes it very affordable and easy. Just Renew gold, pellets and THE. Just a thought. The girl who sells THE on here is really nice and very fast to send the product. |
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Location: Texas | You might research and consider a magnesium deficiency.
http://performanceequinenutrition.com/magnesium-101/ |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Take him off the Liquid 747, is this the horse that is hurt that you were showing a video of? |
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Red Bull Agressive
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Location: North Dakota | Southtxponygirl - 2015-04-13 3:32 PM Take him off the Liquid 747, is this the horse that is hurt that you were showing a video of?
Yes, he has another vet appt. coming up here shortly. So obviously he's sitting around doing nothing for a while longer, but even just around the barn he's a nut. He was on Ultium for like a year and I took him off that, hoping to calm him down, but still not so. I just added in the 747 about a month ago. |
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Red Bull Agressive
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Location: North Dakota | TBone - 2015-04-13 3:28 PM You might research and consider a magnesium deficiency.
http://performanceequinenutrition.com/magnesium-101/
Wow he has almost all those symptoms. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-04-13 3:47 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-04-13 3:32 PM Take him off the Liquid 747, is this the horse that is hurt that you were showing a video of? Yes, he has another vet appt. coming up here shortly. So obviously he's sitting around doing nothing for a while longer, but even just around the barn he's a nut. He was on Ultium for like a year and I took him off that, hoping to calm him down, but still not so. I just added in the 747 about a month ago.
Since he's not doing anything and being stalled I would take him off any supplements and just feed him good hay and feed untill you can get that back leg figured out, I watched the videos of him and can see that he was not moving out right. Was he always as you call it jacked up? And how long have you had him? |
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Red Bull Agressive
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Location: North Dakota | Southtxponygirl - 2015-04-13 4:26 PM cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-04-13 3:47 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-04-13 3:32 PM Take him off the Liquid 747, is this the horse that is hurt that you were showing a video of? Yes, he has another vet appt. coming up here shortly. So obviously he's sitting around doing nothing for a while longer, but even just around the barn he's a nut. He was on Ultium for like a year and I took him off that, hoping to calm him down, but still not so. I just added in the 747 about a month ago.
We've had him about 2 years and he's always been the same. From the day we got him he was like this. Just always on edge, super sensitive. He was abused when he was way younger, but had been in a safe loving home for several years before we got him. He acts like he's being abused now, which he most certainly is not. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-04-13 5:04 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-04-13 4:26 PM cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-04-13 3:47 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-04-13 3:32 PM Take him off the Liquid 747, is this the horse that is hurt that you were showing a video of? Yes, he has another vet appt. coming up here shortly. So obviously he's sitting around doing nothing for a while longer, but even just around the barn he's a nut. He was on Ultium for like a year and I took him off that, hoping to calm him down, but still not so. I just added in the 747 about a month ago.
There are some horses that are just naturally high/full of energy and dont need any supplements like 747 and cant stay in a stall, so when you get his leg figured out I would try to find him a good pasture that he can stay on 24/7. Had a little mare that was just a basket case all the time that you were riding her, I could not keep her stalled up if I did she was like a dragon always on the muscle, she had to stay on pasture, even then she was always on the muscle but was a bit calmer. No hot feed for her. |
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Location: Florida.. | Southtxponygirl - 2015-04-13 6:23 PM cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-04-13 5:04 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-04-13 4:26 PM cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-04-13 3:47 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-04-13 3:32 PM Take him off the Liquid 747, is this the horse that is hurt that you were showing a video of? Yes, he has another vet appt. coming up here shortly. So obviously he's sitting around doing nothing for a while longer, but even just around the barn he's a nut. He was on Ultium for like a year and I took him off that, hoping to calm him down, but still not so. I just added in the 747 about a month ago.
agree with this... and he certainly doesnt need 747.. and stalled up is not what he needs either.. Id change bits to .that one seems a bit harsh .. instead work on more control and lighter bit for those type horses .. |
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Location: North Dakota | I have no way to turn him out. All the boarding stables I know of only have runs or huge 20+ acre pastures with large herds of horses. I guess they botched it when they gelded him, he gets very stud-y and aggressive when turned out with other horses so putting him in a herd environment probably wouldn't work. We are actually trying to sell him because he doesn't get used as much as he needs. I'll attach a picture of one of the runs so you can see the size (it's not him in the run. It's my other gelding.) He's in that 24/7 except for a few months in the winter, where he gets stalled at night.
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | so he never gets to socialize and stays in that small pen always except in winter he gets a stall.. does he ever get turnout? I might have missed that part?
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Red Bull Agressive
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Location: North Dakota | Bibliafarm - 2015-04-13 10:28 PM so he never gets to socialize and stays in that small pen always except in winter he gets a stall.. does he ever get turnout? I might have missed that part?
There are horses on either side of him 24/7 so he socializes through the bars. He never gets turned out because no barn here offers turnout for just one or two horses. We hand graze him and let him stretch his legs in the massive outdoor as much as possible. We tried letting him and my mare out (arena) together but he attacked her so that put an end to that. |
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Location: Florida.. | Some horses dont do well in that type situation and need to be able to be out .. mentally they cant handle being penned up 24-7. hand walking and lunging and riding isnt enough or the same as being in a pasture or larger area to play and run..but least your doing the best thats offered .... good luck :)
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| When I had my mare on MSM she became ridiculous super spooky at things she had been fine with fir years and really high strung and unfocused took her off and she's back to normal. I have her on forco now and ran out once I noticed that she was calmer and more focused on it so I put her back on. My other horses didn't show any behavior differences with either supplement at all. |
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Location: Woodstown, NJ | I'd get him off all the supplements and the alfalfa pellets and just give him hay and maybe, maybe a little grain. Because I think you said you're not riding him now, right? I have a high energy horse like that. You would THINK lunging doesn't make a difference but it does it you do it enough. When my guy has been sitting around for any length of time, I lunge him for at least a week before I dare to get on him. He's like Tigger, if that tells you anything. Then when I do start riding him, he needs lots of riding. You have to ride this horse all week long for him to be able to pay attention and come to you. He also needs a lot of warming up. And my guy is out 24/7. I couldn't imagine how hyper he would be if I had to stall him. I don't know about the injury you guys are discussing that he's had, but if he's over it and you can ride him, I'd say increase the exercise and cut back the concentrates and supplements. And I'd look into that magnesium deficiency someone mentioned. Good luck! |
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Location: So. California | When you go to the vets, run a blood panel to check his vitamin/mineral levels. You may also want to test for Lymes. |
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| Maybe running barrels isn't a good job for this horse. Yes, he has lots of energy and loves to run but that might be part of the problem. There are some horses that can't handle running barrels, it turns them into monsters that can't be handled because all they want to do is run. Agree, this horse needs turn out, an a lot of it; in a large pasture alone or with a horse he can get along with. Find a boarding situation that will give him a large pasture with a run-in shed, rather than keeping him in a stall or paddock. Agree with the feed changes and having a vet do a full work up on him and check for deficiencies. Beyond that, send the horse to a trainer that knows how to work with his kind of behavior, it's probably going to be something that will take time and patience. Stop running him put him to work on doing something that requires his mind to think and his body to slow down. |
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Location: mi | My super spooky, no concentration, worry about everything horse. I put on the lowest starch feed I could find (only gets a cup of that to have something to mix in supplements, added in rice bran for some fat. and put him on Magox. and it quieted him WAY down. He is still not a quiet horse but at least we can make it to the pasture each morning on 4 legs instead of 2. I do use the magnesium from the above site posted. But for the winter I switched to just a Magox 56% that I got from the local grain mill. The 50# bag was only like $35 and lasted all winter long. and he seemed to act the same on that as the more expensive stuff. |
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Location: Heart of Texas | So i'm reading this right, you have an injured horse that gets ridden once in a blue moon and confined to a small run on 7 different feeds/supplements???? Why?? Unless prescribed by the vet, I wouldn't have that horse on anything but a grass hay and water. Imagine being given energy drinks and told to live in a 12x12 room. You'd act stupid too. |
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