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Location: Missouri | He went to the trainer six weeks ago, and he's lazy, immature, sweet and athletic, lol.
I was told he has a hard mouth :( , he only broke in two once, but when he did, it was 3 laps around the pen before he stopped, and a pretty athletic buck, lol.
They said he hadn't done it before and hasn't done it since, and they all try at least once.
I hope he catches on soon! I miss his face! |
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| My sister had a mare like that, but when she finally figured out she was supposed to run, man, she never looked back. I bet he turns out great.  |
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Location: Missouri | I hope he does too, but this is just getting him under saddle, lol. Once I get him home, then it's ride, ride ride and not even thinking about barrels yet.
 this may be me after he gets home, lol ( I realize this is about beating a dead horse), I'm going to use it as beating a lazy horse, lol |
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| Remember also that those words are taught to them in colt starter school.
I guess they are afraid if they told you how easy they were that you wouldn't pay them.
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Location: SE Louisiana | Tbred - 2015-04-13 4:02 PM
I hope he does too, but this is just getting him under saddle, lol. Once I get him home, then it's ride, ride ride and not even thinking about barrels yet.this may be me after he gets home, lol ( I realize this is about beating a dead horse ), I'm going to use it as beating a lazy horse, lol
That's ok.. If the horse is still seeing stars, he ain't dead yet... |
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| he has a hard mouth and he's just now getting broke......  |
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Location: Missouri | komet. - 2015-04-13 4:05 PM Tbred - 2015-04-13 4:02 PM I hope he does too, but this is just getting him under saddle, lol. Once I get him home, then it's ride, ride ride and not even thinking about barrels yet.
this may be me after he gets home, lol ( I realize this is about beating a dead horse ), I'm going to use it as beating a lazy horse, lol That's ok.. If the horse is still seeing stars, he ain't dead yet...
I think those are flies, lol but we can say they are stars |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | FlyingJT - 2015-04-13 4:07 PM he has a hard mouth and he's just now getting broke......
That was my thought too. |
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| FlyingJT - 2015-04-13 4:07 PM
he has a hard mouth and he's just now getting broke......
That was my question too.
Personally if a trainer told me that, I would be picking up my horse and finding a different trainer |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I wouldn't judge on that comment alone. I have started many many a colt and some have a natural tender mouth and some not so much. Some give to every pressure the first time they have a bit, others will lean against all pressure. It's a learning game, but I love to know if they are soft right off the bat or if it takes them some more training. I can usually tell if a horse will be soft by the shape of their muzzle/lips and their behavior. Thick lips tend to be a bit tougher and also the really super friendly in your face horses as well. The more sensitive horses on the ground etc are often lighter mouthed.
As for the bucking, I rather them never do it, but if they do I want it early on in the training and they get the crap worked out of them afterwards to show them it is a no go. Lazy doesn't bother me either, but I want that out of them before I ride them, because these are the type that may try to unload you later when you try and make them do something when they feel they are a tad to tired. Get them a work ethic before you ever get on. Make them understand it is never their choice on how far you push them. A good trainer will know when to quit before they mentally or physically push a horse too far.
Your horse sounds pretty normal and all the descriptions from the trainer sound pretty workable :) |
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Location: Montana | I wouldn't worry about the hard mouthed comment either, I agree with Wyoming. My mare is naturally a little harder mouthed than some horses. My trainer personally thought it was from a later start (she wasn't initially started until she was 4 or 5, and then had a refresher at 9). My colt now I've heard is quite soft, which will be nice for a change, I think. I'm supposed to get him back on Sunday after 30 days and will find out more then.
I'd love to know, though, what the term athletic means when coming from a trainer? I've heard it about my colt too, and I'm mostly an optimist, so I hope it is a good thing!  |
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Location: Texas | wyoming barrel racer - 2015-04-13 8:52 PM
I wouldn't judge on that comment alone. I have started many many a colt and some have a natural tender mouth and some not so much. Some give to every pressure the first time they have a bit, others will lean against all pressure. It's a learning game, but I love to know if they are soft right off the bat or if it takes them some more training. I can usually tell if a horse will be soft by the shape of their muzzle/lips and their behavior. Thick lips tend to be a bit tougher and also the really super friendly in your face horses as well. The more sensitive horses on the ground etc are often lighter mouthed.
As for the bucking, I rather them never do it, but if they do I want it early on in the training and they get the crap worked out of them afterwards to show them it is a no go. Lazy doesn't bother me either, but I want that out of them before I ride them, because these are the type that may try to unload you later when you try and make them do something when they feel they are a tad to tired. Get them a work ethic before you ever get on. Make them understand it is never their choice on how far you push them. A good trainer will know when to quit before they mentally or physically push a horse too far.
Your horse sounds pretty normal and all the descriptions from the trainer sound pretty workable :)
This is absolutely true!
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Location: Missouri | Yeah he is 3 and just now getting a handle put on him. I'm sure "hard mouthed" referrs to him not wanting to give to pressure, being "stubborn".
Yes he was a spoiled barn baby and I had saddled him, bridled him and rode him around in the arena about 8 times before he went to the trainer. He was quiet and gentle and never got annoyed with anything I've done with him, but he was "stubborn"! Gave to the left easier than the right, didn't want to move his feet blah blah blah. That's when I knew that I wasn't going to be able to do the job. I don't have the time.
I was however hoping that someone that does it for a living would have faster progress than I would have, lol. I respect them for not sending him home, with their name on him, until he's got a good handle. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | 6 weeks is quite a while to be there, but I know most trainers take at least 45 days to get 30 rides on a colt. I have my 3 yr old being started right now. I have had really terrible luck up to now so I am hopeful she will do a good job with him. Her updates so far are that he settled in nice after a couple days, then after a week I had an update that he was "Eager" in the round pen when she was riding him. I wasn't sure if that was a good thing or bad thing lol. Then about a week later he was still doing well, but being lazy and she was now working on getting him to move out. She sent me a picture of her on him with a head shot so I would say she is at least riding him decent (unless someone is hanging from the rafters for that shot lol).
When I dropped him off he had been pulled out of pasture about 2 weeks, had his wolf teeth pulled (those can make them stiff and ornery one direction), dewormed and poured for ticks. I also tied him a few days and sacked him out a couple days so he wasn't just fresh out of pasture. He's a super friendly colt and has a tendency to want to be a friend so gets butthurt when I make him do something. He needs to know it isn't all about being loved on and petted. |
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| My one mare was a very slow learner but once she's got something she's got it she's 14 now and due to an injury has sat for long periods but you can pull her out of the pasture no matter how long it's been and she rides just like she did when I rode every day she forgets nothing! She was really reliable and consistent on the pattern too! So as frustrated as I sometimes was bringing her along she was well worth it! |
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Location: Missouri | grinandbareit - 2015-04-13 9:05 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2015-04-13 8:52 PM I wouldn't judge on that comment alone. I have started many many a colt and some have a natural tender mouth and some not so much. Some give to every pressure the first time they have a bit, others will lean against all pressure. It's a learning game, but I love to know if they are soft right off the bat or if it takes them some more training. I can usually tell if a horse will be soft by the shape of their muzzle/lips and their behavior. Thick lips tend to be a bit tougher and also the really super friendly in your face horses as well. The more sensitive horses on the ground etc are often lighter mouthed.
As for the bucking, I rather them never do it, but if they do I want it early on in the training and they get the crap worked out of them afterwards to show them it is a no go. Lazy doesn't bother me either, but I want that out of them before I ride them, because these are the type that may try to unload you later when you try and make them do something when they feel they are a tad to tired. Get them a work ethic before you ever get on. Make them understand it is never their choice on how far you push them. A good trainer will know when to quit before they mentally or physically push a horse too far.
Your horse sounds pretty normal and all the descriptions from the trainer sound pretty workable :) This is absolutely true!
Sounds good to me. I just want him right when he comes home. I can't wait to ride him. I think once he get's it, he's going to be a lot of fun to see progress. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest | Just because a horse is young/unbroke/whatever does not mean they will have a soft mouth. A soft mouth and soft side is something they LEARN, they aren't always born with it. A lot of horses start out with a "hard" mouth because they see no reason to react to a light touch. They don't know why you're asking them to flex their head to the side and they frankly don't really care so they just ignore you. It's by asking them over and over and always releasing at the correct time that they learn they need to react to that light touch.
So I wouldn't worry about the "hard mouth" comment, and it definitely does not mean he's going to be a bad horse or won't learn to have a lighter mouth. I have a horse with a "hard" mouth and he's not difficult to ride because of it, and he still responds the way he's suppose to, he's just not quite as light as my other horses. The more I ride him the better he is, if he's had time off then yeah, it's kind of like riding a deadhead school horse and it takes some time and work to get him back to being a "real" horse haha
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Location: Missouri | livexlovexrodeo - 2015-04-14 11:48 AM Just because a horse is young/unbroke/whatever does not mean they will have a soft mouth. A soft mouth and soft side is something they LEARN, they aren't always born with it. A lot of horses start out with a "hard" mouth because they see no reason to react to a light touch. They don't know why you're asking them to flex their head to the side and they frankly don't really care so they just ignore you. It's by asking them over and over and always releasing at the correct time that they learn they need to react to that light touch. So I wouldn't worry about the "hard mouth" comment, and it definitely does not mean he's going to be a bad horse or won't learn to have a lighter mouth. I have a horse with a "hard" mouth and he's not difficult to ride because of it, and he still responds the way he's suppose to, he's just not quite as light as my other horses. The more I ride him the better he is, if he's had time off then yeah, it's kind of like riding a deadhead school horse and it takes some time and work to get him back to being a "real" horse haha
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| livexlovexrodeo - 2015-04-14 11:48 AM Just because a horse is young/unbroke/whatever does not mean they will have a soft mouth. A soft mouth and soft side is something they LEARN, they aren't always born with it. A lot of horses start out with a "hard" mouth because they see no reason to react to a light touch. They don't know why you're asking them to flex their head to the side and they frankly don't really care so they just ignore you. It's by asking them over and over and always releasing at the correct time that they learn they need to react to that light touch. So I wouldn't worry about the "hard mouth" comment, and it definitely does not mean he's going to be a bad horse or won't learn to have a lighter mouth. I have a horse with a "hard" mouth and he's not difficult to ride because of it, and he still responds the way he's suppose to, he's just not quite as light as my other horses. The more I ride him the better he is, if he's had time off then yeah, it's kind of like riding a deadhead school horse and it takes some time and work to get him back to being a "real" horse haha
I wasn't talking about the horse........ |
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