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I personally believe in free will and it is not in God's plan for us to suffer. Suffering and hate is due to choice's made by men because God gave us free will. We can use His teaching to learn from all situations.
You can chose to follow His path and live your life under His guidance or you can chose to drive drunk and kill someone or chose to abuse little children. I just cannot reconcile that these type of things are in God's plan. My faith is there to help me through these horrible situations. |
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | rodeomom3 - 2015-04-16 6:06 PM
That God has a plan for everything so no matter what happens it is God's will or that we have free will and chose the path we take?
I personally believe in free will and it is not in God's plan for us to suffer. Suffering and hate is due to choice's made by men because God gave us free will. We can use His teaching to learn from all situations.
You can chose to follow His path and live your life under His guidance or you can chose to drive drunk and kill someone or chose to abuse little children. I just cannot reconcile that these type of things are in God's plan. My faith is there to help me through these horrible situations.
I believe God has a general plan in life for us but I don't believe he plans for us to do unthinkable acts such as killing others or hurting little kids. I believe those bad choices are devil influenced or just bad morals. |
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Location: North Dakota | I don't know what the answer is. But just based on my experiences, I believe that everything, even the bad things, happen for a reason. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Boccaccio deals with the issue of our sinful nature and God's plan/freewill. It's interesting.
I too believe God carries us through these things and we have to choose evil for it to exist. We perpetuate it. But if we come back to God we can overcome it. I know that your family is dealing with some stuff from your other post. I'm so sorry. :(
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | I believe God gave us life and whatever happens whether good or bad is just life. I don't believe it's Gods will to make the innocent suffer. We all have and make choices everyday that affect us and others. Gods plan was to give us life here and now and he gave us the right to choose to be with him once our time is up here. |
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| oija - 2015-04-16 6:14 PM
Boccaccio deals with the issue of our sinful nature and God's plan/freewill. It's interesting.
I too believe God carries us through these things and we have to choose evil for it to exist. We perpetuate it. But if we come back to God we can overcome it. I know that your family is dealing with some stuff from your other post. I'm so sorry. : (
Prayers for you all at this time.
Thank you, you very eloquently put into words how I feel. I do not at all question God why this is happening to this little girl because I do not believe he planned for it to happen and that there is not a reason for it. as you said, man choses evil and we can chose to turn away from it. It almost offends me to hear someone say everything happens for a reason or it is all in Golds plan when something terrible happens. I would to defend my God, that he does not plan these things or want them to happen, He is loving and kind and wants the best for us, it is up to us to strive for the best life possible. |
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Location: lone star state | Joyce Myer has a great way of explaining how you feel. She is a living testimony to child abuse and how God can take our mess and turn into a miracle :)
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Location: SE Louisiana | I don't believe this any more than I believe what the muslim terrorist believes, which is that anything that happens after he flips the trigger on the bomb he is wearing is "the will of Allah"... |
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Location: Right Where I'm Meant To Be :) | Our Pastor did a series called Living A Legacy, this particular week was based on Judges 6 regardinging Change. I wrote a few good points that really stuck out to me. The most prominent one is "Sometimes God removes His hand of Protection so that You cry out to Him." God wants you to Do What You Can Do and THEN God will do the rest! It's about Faith. Sometimes God lets us go thru things, not to punish us, or see us suffer, but for us to LEARN to DEPEND ON HIM. FAITH. It doesn't mean the outcome is always going to be "good" or "how we want it" but you have to stop and ask, is it really the end then? Finally, God loves us when we are afraid-He's not mad at us; He says Mighty Hero GET UP!!! |
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Location: Texas | Funny you should mention this because I was just reading Joyce Meyers' book "Living Courageously"... In there she says, "Although He was a Son, He learned obedience through what He suffered. And, making Him perfectly, He became the Author and Source of eternal salvation... Hebrews 5:8-9. She says in her book, "Sometimes we must go through things in order to fully understand the difficulties that others experience."
I have to agree. If I told people some of the stories that happened to me when I was a child they would be appalled. But scripture says "Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds, knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance.…
If we believe that life begins at conception and God plans for each and every child that comes into the world... Then how can we not know that He already knows what is going to happen with every individual here, before it ever occurs. I think that we sometimes put so much emphasis on our time here that we forget how temporary it really is. That doesn't mean I don't want my life here to be good, because I do. But this is a battleground and bad things are going to happen. Life is going to happen. We aren't ever going to be able to stop bad things from happening. That doesn't mean we should just throw our hands up and surrender... But it does mean that we do our part and we leave the results up to God. We trust His plan for us and for our children, our friends our family and those He puts in our life.
I feel no animosity towards anyone for the things that happened when I was a child. I rejoice in them and would live it all over again if it meant that I could help just one other person see that no matter what happens, you do not have to live life bitter and defeated. I'm glad that my cross was one I could handle. I would rather have gone through that than something else. We all have to face hardships... I don't think mine was that bad... It sure could have been worse. So THANK YOU GOD! For not giving me more than I could handle.
Let me also say one more thing... It took me years to realize the things that I just typed out. It did not happen overnight, it has been a journey, but it has been so worth it.
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Location: Montana | It doesn't always make sense to us, does it? Bad things happening in the world around us to good people or children. It is a sad travesty. But I think it goes somewhat to the Beattitudes in Matthew... 3“Blessed are the poor in spirit,for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.4Blessed are those who mourn,for they will be comforted.5Blessed are the meek,for they will inherit the earth.6Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,for they will be filled.7Blessed are the merciful,for they will be shown mercy.8Blessed are the pure in heart,for they will see God.9Blessed are the peacemakers,for they will be called children of God.10Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11“Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Because, if you turn them around it says just as much of who aren't blessed and what they won't inherit. Sometimes their punishment doesn't come until eternal life, which is eternal punishment. Sometimes God gives extra chances to people, and they just screw it up. The sad part is the innocents that get in the way. Why God allows, maybe it has to do with the verse that God chastens those He loves. Or maybe He knows those ones will stand the test. I don't have the answer. The best thing we can do is pray for them all, from the innocents to the ones that are doing the evil. Remember, Satan is just as big of a force in this world as ever. As far as it being just freewill, I think the Devil is helping too.
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Location: Florida.. | I dont believe the saying everything happens for a reason..I believe God cant prevent things from happening but he promises to ALWAYS be there to carry you and hold you up to get you thru them.. |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | It's hard to believe in "plans" when bad things have happened in your life that were not of any control......
Was it Gods plan (my mothers death when I was very young) ...so does God let some die and save others......I don't exactly know the answer.
John the Baptist questioned the plan.........Jesus could have called down angels and saved him for he had healed the blind raised the dead......john the Baptist lost his head......where was Jesus?
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Location: Texas | Bibliafarm - 2015-04-16 9:39 PM
I dont believe the saying everything happens for a reason..I believe God cant prevent things from happening but he promises to ALWAYS be there to carry you and hold you up to get you thru them..
Do you REALLY believe that God CAN'T prevent things from happening? That the Maker of the Heaven's and the earth is powerless to protect us if He so chooses? I know you don't really believe that.
See, the thing is, when we get to Heaven we will realize all the bad things that God stopped from happening to us. It's something that we can't know because we aren't all knowing like God is.
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Location: Florida.. | grinandbareit - 2015-04-16 10:57 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-04-16 9:39 PM I dont believe the saying everything happens for a reason..I believe God cant prevent things from happening but he promises to ALWAYS be there to carry you and hold you up to get you thru them.. Do you REALLY believe that God CAN'T prevent things from happening? That the Maker of the Heaven's and the earth is powerless to protect us if He so chooses? I know you don't really believe that. See, the thing is, when we get to Heaven we will realize all the bad things that God stopped from happening to us. It's something that we can't know because we aren't all knowing like God is.
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Location: Texas | Bibliafarm - 2015-04-16 10:01 PM
grinandbareit - 2015-04-16 10:57 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-04-16 9:39 PM I dont believe the saying everything happens for a reason..I believe God cant prevent things from happening but he promises to ALWAYS be there to carry you and hold you up to get you thru them.. Do you REALLY believe that God CAN'T prevent things from happening? That the Maker of the Heaven's and the earth is powerless to protect us if He so chooses? I know you don't really believe that. See, the thing is, when we get to Heaven we will realize all the bad things that God stopped from happening to us. It's something that we can't know because we aren't all knowing like God is.
LOL... I didn't think that was what you meant, ;)
How about... God won't stop us from having hardships, but He promises that His grace is sufficient to carry us THROUGH those times. :)
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Location: Florida.. | grinandbareit - 2015-04-16 11:10 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-04-16 10:01 PM grinandbareit - 2015-04-16 10:57 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-04-16 9:39 PM I dont believe the saying everything happens for a reason..I believe God cant prevent things from happening but he promises to ALWAYS be there to carry you and hold you up to get you thru them.. Do you REALLY believe that God CAN'T prevent things from happening? That the Maker of the Heaven's and the earth is powerless to protect us if He so chooses? I know you don't really believe that. See, the thing is, when we get to Heaven we will realize all the bad things that God stopped from happening to us. It's something that we can't know because we aren't all knowing like God is. LOL... I didn't think that was what you meant, ; ) How about... God won't stop us from having hardships, but He promises that His grace is sufficient to carry us THROUGH those times. : )
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Location: west of East Texas | As I parent, sometimes I just KNOW when one of my kids is about to do something wrong or stupid or careless, etc. Sometimes I stop it from happening. Sometimes I have to step back and let her work her way through it. I love them more than anything else in my world, but I can't fix everything for them. God is my Father. |
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| I believe that He won't bring you to it, if He can't bring you through it.
I believe that we have free will, and that we have that free will because God doesn't want to force us to turn to Him, He wants us to want to, He wants us to freely and whole heartedly rely on him. |
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| I believe God made sure we have the 2nd amendment to use as the only permit needed to own or carry a gun for societies protection, our own protection and families protection.
Without the power to have an offense when dealing with the evil powers that be ...
our free will society will disappear right before our eyes. God has given us the
2nd amendment to protect our Christian way of life and we better wake up to
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