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| Hey guys, just wanted to pick your brains about joint supplements. I've never needed to use them before and have no experience with them, so I'm essentially clueless. I have a 14 year old 1D/2D QH mare who is completely sound and healthy; I've never had any joint or lameness issues with her and she's never been injected. However, I'm planning on hauling her quite a bit this summer and am wondering about starting her on joint supplements as a preventative/maintenance measure since her workload will be increasing.
Do you think this will be beneficial to her, or just a waste of money and I should leave well enough alone? Any recommendations on good joint supplements or ones to stay away from? A few people have recommended Cosequin, but I'd like to get more opinions. The amount of options out there is overwhelming! Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks! |
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| I would forget the oral stuff and do a loading dose of Adequan right now or pentosan. Then use monthly or even bimonthly if your hauling hard this summer. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | I agree with flitastic....i think 99.999% of orally fed stuff is a waste of money....better off with injectable.......M
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Location: Piedmont, OK | Animal Element Performance Detox keeps mine feeling good and running hard. There is a link for a video below. The Performance detox is great for hooves, coat, and joints. |
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Location: TX | I also agree with Flitastic.. Adequan is amazing. I used it a couple years back on one of my horses who wasn't showing any signs of lameness. I just wanted to make sure he did feel good and boy could I tell a difference!! I also would recommend Platinum Performance CJ or Exceed 6-way. Great products. Good Luck! |
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Location: Alberta, Canada | I also agree on oral joint supplements being a waste of money. I use legend/adequin and inject as needed. |
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Location: North Dakota | I feed MSM. It's cheap and seems to have many benefits. I haven't used injectables, but would if one of mine needed something more than the MSM. |
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Location: Sunny So Cal | For maintenance I use THE JointPLUS and Adequan. I also have another one who has some arthritis and has been injected. She gets THE FlamOxide and Adequan. I'm thinking about adding Legend to the one who get the FlamOxide. My horses are looking and feeling great. |
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| Osphos shot given once a year to every 6 months, its the future of injectable joint supplements.
Adequan once a month.
Legend or your HA of choice (I like hytryl) 48 hours prior to a big run.
Some ppl like Pentosan but i'm not a fan.
Your wasting your money on anything else IMO and research shows basically no joint supplement is absorbed by a horse once it reaches the stomach.
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| Only thing I would change is when the IV HA products are given. Hytryl/Legend/NexHA. Research shows max effectiveness of any IV HA product is 12-24 hours after injection. By 48 hours it is nearly out of the system completely. ALL of my vets say to ideally give it 12 hours out ( Middle of the night usually) or at most 24 hours out. Which is what I do. Not getting up at midnight to inject my horse. lol |
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| OH, recent research has come out that the Monthly Adequan does not increase effectiveness of the drug. The origional 7 shot series given once a year or 2x a year is best for hard working horses. Thats what I am going. Complete loading dose (7 shots) 1-2x per year depending on activity level. |
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-04-22 12:24 PM
Only thing I would change is when the IV HA products are given. Hytryl/Legend/NexHA. Research shows max effectiveness of any IV HA product is 12-24 hours after injection. By 48 hours it is nearly out of the system completely. ALL of my vets say to ideally give it 12 hours out ( Middle of the night usually) or at most 24 hours out. Which is what I do. Not getting up at midnight to inject my horse. lol
Sorry my mistake on the time. I agree Flit! We usually get up early and give it the day of for futurity runs 
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-04-22 12:26 PM
OH, recent research has come out that the Monthly Adequan does not increase effectiveness of the drug. The origional 7 shot series given once a year or 2x a year is best for hard working horses. Thats what I am going. Complete loading dose (7 shots) 1-2x per year depending on activity level.
Really?! Please point me towards that research  |
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| astreakinchic - 2015-04-22 9:29 AM
FLITASTIC - 2015-04-22 12:26 PM
OH, recent research has come out that the Monthly Adequan does not increase effectiveness of the drug. The origional 7 shot series given once a year or 2x a year is best for hard working horses. Thats what I am going. Complete loading dose (7 shots) 1-2x per year depending on activity level.
Really?! Please point me towards that research
Let me find it. My vet says she gets monthly publications from the AAEP ( American association of Equine practitioners?) and there was an article about monthly adequan booster shots. Let me start digging. I was going by what she just told me last Friday. Let me see what I can find. |
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| So i googled and an old thread of yours came up. It sounded like a rep for the company responded. Can anyone who is a rep PLEASE chime in?
Also, I noticed on other forums vets have recommended the 7 shot series. Most vets have told me i'm wasting money and its just for my piece of mind to give it, but I like the idea of using adequan as it was intended in its 7 shot series.
I wanna add I spoke with Dr. White a few years ago and he never mentioned using it twice yearly as series. I consider him one of the foremost experts on it.
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Location: Sunny So Cal | I do the 7 shot series with 1 shot monthly for maintenance because this was the orignal method they had. I ask my vet about the new way and if I should start doing that and he told me not to. |
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Location: Missouri | soonergirl98 - 2015-04-21 2:30 PM
Animal Element Performance Detox keeps mine feeling good and running hard. There is a link for a video below. The Performance detox is great for hooves, coat, and joints.
Ditto to this. I started using Animal Element Performance Detox on my mare a few months ago and I LOVE it - saw definitive results! Her coat is much healthier looking, her top line looks better and she FEELS like she feels great. |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Gateway products liquid HA .you will see results. Chondroitin and Glucosamine must be used together or you will not see results. HA breaks down to Chondroitin and glucosamine. MSM. pure. Vitamin C and E work great with these. |
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| I stopped pouring my money down the drain with oral supplements. I did the 7 day loading dose of Adequan and now do it once a month. |
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| astreakinchic - 2015-04-22 12:14 PM So i googled and an old thread of yours came up. It sounded like a rep for the company responded. Can anyone who is a rep PLEASE chime in? Also, I noticed on other forums vets have recommended the 7 shot series. Most vets have told me i'm wasting money and its just for my piece of mind to give it, but I like the idea of using adequan as it was intended in its 7 shot series. I wanna add I spoke with Dr. White a few years ago and he never mentioned using it twice yearly as series. I consider him one of the foremost experts on it.
FLITASTIC is 100% right... I was at Dr. Doug Brunk's clinic in Grand Island, NE last summer with my horse and an adequan rep was there. I got to chat with him and he filled me in on some new interesting info that they do not recommend the once a month shot... But instead to do a series twice a year. Like while you are legging your horse up then again when you notice any decline in performance over the course of your season... which maybe 4 months, 6 months, ect. into your season... its better to load it in the horse's system with the series to get the full effect of the anti inflammatory properties of it instead of once a month. The once a month shot really doesnt do much after 4 days... It actually only stays in their system for 4 days anyways.... hence the one shot every 92 hours/4 days in the 7 shot series. So to actually treat any inflammation you have to keep it in their system continuous for the 28 days. A shot here and there like the once a month, even after you did the series, is not effective.
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