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| Just curious what you guys consider a 1d horse on a standard pattern?
I know ground plays a part, im just getting an idea of others opinions on this.
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Location: Where I am happiest | Arena plays a bigger role then your giving it credit. A true 1D horse to me is a horse that consistently pulls checks in the 1D. I know arena
s that if you don't run a 17.0 on a standard set you wont even smell a check. Others, a 17.9 will win the race's there. These are just 2 arenas that have multiple races every year, some HUGE. |
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| ThreeCorners - 2015-04-21 9:54 PM
Arena plays a bigger role then your giving it credit. A true 1D horse to me is a horse that consistently pulls checks in the 1D. I know arena
s that if you don't run a 17.0 on a standard set you wont even smell a check. Others, a 17.9 will win the race's there. These are just 2 arenas that have multiple races every year, some HUGE.
Interesting, Ive never seen such a big difference in arenas. |
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Location: Texas | I think anything 17.3/17.4 and faster... But they better be running 1D on smaller patterns too to be titled a "consistent 1D horse" |
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| outrundaizy - 2015-04-21 10:37 PM
I think anything 17.3/17.4 and faster... But they better be running 1D on smaller patterns too to be titled a "consistent 1D horse"
This is how I feel for the most part.
Its tough to judge if a horse is a true 1d, so many variables to consider.
What if if a horse wins on smaller 14.3 patterns but clocks 17.5 on a standard? |
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Location: Texas | Itsme - 2015-04-21 10:49 PM outrundaizy - 2015-04-21 10:37 PM I think anything 17.3/17.4 and faster... But they better be running 1D on smaller patterns too to be titled a "consistent 1D horse" This is how I feel for the most part. Its tough to judge if a horse is a true 1d, so many variables to consider. What if if a horse wins on smaller 14.3 patterns but clocks 17.5 on a standard?
I would just say 1D on smaller patterns 2D/3D on standard. Some horses just don't have the endurance or stride to clock that fast, but they can on a shorter pattern.
17.5 on a standard is still great though. At a barrel race like ANHA this would almost be a 3D time. At a WPRA rodeo this could place or even win. |
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| Itsme - 2015-04-21 10:00 PM
ThreeCorners - 2015-04-21 9:54 PM
Arena plays a bigger role then your giving it credit. A true 1D horse to me is a horse that consistently pulls checks in the 1D. I know arena
s that if you don't run a 17.0 on a standard set you wont even smell a check. Others, a 17.9 will win the race's there. These are just 2 arenas that have multiple races every year, some HUGE.
Interesting, Ive never seen such a big difference in arenas.
Ground conditions are huge. Even the amount of moisture in the same arena can make a huge difference. |
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Location: So. California | Honeymoney - 2015-04-21 9:37 PM Itsme - 2015-04-21 10:00 PM ThreeCorners - 2015-04-21 9:54 PM Arena plays a bigger role then your giving it credit. A true 1D horse to me is a horse that consistently pulls checks in the 1D. I know arena s that if you don't run a 17.0 on a standard set you wont even smell a check. Others, a 17.9 will win the race's there. These are just 2 arenas that have multiple races every year, some HUGE. Interesting, Ive never seen such a big difference in arenas. Ground conditions are huge. Even the amount of moisture in the same arena can make a huge difference.
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If your horse was consistently hitting 17.5 and the winning times were consistently 17.0/17.1 on a standard set you have your answer. 1D on smaller patterns/2D on a standard set. |
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| Anniemae - 2015-04-21 11:45 PM Honeymoney - 2015-04-21 9:37 PM Itsme - 2015-04-21 10:00 PM ThreeCorners - 2015-04-21 9:54 PM Arena plays a bigger role then your giving it credit. A true 1D horse to me is a horse that consistently pulls checks in the 1D. I know arena s that if you don't run a 17.0 on a standard set you wont even smell a check. Others, a 17.9 will win the race's there. These are just 2 arenas that have multiple races every year, some HUGE. Interesting, Ive never seen such a big difference in arenas. Ground conditions are huge. Even the amount of moisture in the same arena can make a huge difference.
If your horse was consistently hitting 17.5 and the winning times were consistently 17.0/17.1 on a standard set you have your answer. 1D on smaller patterns/2D on a standard set.
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| pattern size is regardless....it matters WHO they ran in the 1D against at that arena and on that day (i wanted to ad this because ground condition do matter)....if it was say VF sporty by design or the local 4H club
There are different definitions of 1D and they get more expensive as you go down:
1d local
1d big show
1d anywhere
1d anywhere and easy to ride (basically a one hander you can send for their life) your in the $200k and over range here)
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| astreakinchic - 2015-04-22 8:03 AM
pattern size is regardless....it matters WHO they ran in the 1D against at that arena and on that day (i wanted to ad this because ground condition does matter....if it was say VF sporty by design or the local 4H club
There are different definitions of 1D and they get more expensive as you go down:
1d local
1d big show
1d anywhere
1d anywhere and easy to ride (basically a one hander you can send for their life) your in the $200k and over range here)
Thats why I like to use a standard pattern as a reference. If someone in a 4h show runs a 17.1, thats still fast no matter the competition. |
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| Itsme - 2015-04-22 9:17 AM
astreakinchic - 2015-04-22 8:03 AM
pattern size is regardless....it matters WHO they ran in the 1D against at that arena and on that day (i wanted to ad this because ground condition does matter....if it was say VF sporty by design or the local 4H club
There are different definitions of 1D and they get more expensive as you go down:
1d local
1d big show
1d anywhere
1d anywhere and easy to ride (basically a one hander you can send for their life) your in the $200k and over range here)
Thats why I like to use a standard pattern as a reference. If someone in a 4h show runs a 17.1, thats still fast no matter the competition.
Yes it is fast and you have "standard times" to compare to but running in the 1D against the local crowd is MUCH different than running in the 1D against the toughest in the industry.
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| I think people tend to get hung up on the whole "D" thing. You have to consider your goals. Most 1D jackpot horses can't draw a rodeo check. A lot of winning rodeo horses are 2D jackpot horses because they don't put forth the effort at a jackpot. Lisa Lockhart has even said about Louie that she has a NFR horse that runs 2D times. On average a standard pattern 1D time is roughly a 17.2 or so. Yet the record is, I believe, a 16.3 . I know that the arena record at Spanish Fork got shattered last year and is now a 16.8 on a standard. She outran the best in the rodeo world by 2/10ths. To lump all standard patterns into one category for a 1D time isn't realistic. My daughter won Laramie last year with an 18.00 on a standard and outran over 100 girls by 3/10ths. It was a mucky, muddy mess and she was simply the best of the weekend. Now most might look at that 18.0 on a standard as a 3D time and think it must have been a weak rodeo. That simply wasn't the case. The conditions made it what it was. |
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Location: Phoenix | Ok if you aren't PLACING in the 1D, I don't consider your horse 1D. I saw someone on FB who was so proud to be "in the 1D" and she was at the very bottom and there were about 20 other runs "in the 1D" that didn't place. I get that she was excited about her good run and don't discount that, but the horse didn't REALLY run a 1D time. This is why you could get anything BUT when you try out a "1D" horse. I may get flamed for this but that's how I see it!! 1D on a standard is high 16, low 17. |
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| hammer_time - 2015-04-22 10:03 AM
Ok if you aren't PLACING in the 1D, I don't consider your horse 1D. I saw someone on FB who was so proud to be "in the 1D" and she was at the very bottom and there were about 20 other runs "in the 1D" that didn't place. I get that she was excited about her good run and don't discount that, but the horse didn't REALLY run a 1D time. This is why you could get anything BUT when you try out a "1D" horse. I may get flamed for this but that's how I see it!! 1D on a standard is high 16, low 17.
So lets say your at futurity with the big dawgs and only 10 are in the 1D but they paid 8 spots. You wouldn't consider your horse that placed 9th a 1D horse?
I understand what your saying though....some ppl claim they have a 1d horse if he occasionally places in the bottom of the 1d sometimes. |
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| hammer_time - 2015-04-22 9:03 AM
Ok if you aren't PLACING in the 1D, I don't consider your horse 1D. I saw someone on FB who was so proud to be "in the 1D" and she was at the very bottom and there were about 20 other runs "in the 1D" that didn't place. I get that she was excited about her good run and don't discount that, but the horse didn't REALLY run a 1D time. This is why you could get anything BUT when you try out a "1D" horse. I may get flamed for this but that's how I see it!! 1D on a standard is high 16, low 17.
Technically she did run in the 1D. She didn't place in the 1D but her time still fell into the first division. Bottom of the first division doesn't mean that it's stuck in some unnamed limbo; though I often hear people call that a crack because it's out of the money.
IMO if she advertised that horse, I have no problem with her saying that he's run in the bottom of the first division. But she should specify where he's placing. It's about honesty in advertising really.
But let me tell you, that I would be proud as hell to run in the 1D, crack or not, and I would definitely post about it. I used to be proud of all my horses' runs; though I started out in straight jackpots, then onto rodeo. I would always report my runs to friends and family whether I pulled a check or was two runs out.... Maybe that's just me though. I base my success on whether I've improved anything from the run before, not on how many people outrun me. |
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| outrundaizy - 2015-04-21 8:57 PM
Itsme - 2015-04-21 10:49 PM outrundaizy - 2015-04-21 10:37 PM I think anything 17.3/17.4 and faster... But they better be running 1D on smaller patterns too to be titled a "consistent 1D horse" This is how I feel for the most part. Its tough to judge if a horse is a true 1d, so many variables to consider. What if if a horse wins on smaller 14.3 patterns but clocks 17.5 on a standard?
17.5 on a standard is still great though. At a barrel race like ANHA this would almost be a 3D time. At a WPRA rodeo this could place or even win.
So your saying ANHA regularly run 16.5's on a standard to make a 3D time 17.5's? A true WPRA standard? THe worlds record is I believe a 16.6 |
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| astreakinchic - 2015-04-22 7:08 AM
hammer_time - 2015-04-22 10:03 AM
Ok if you aren't PLACING in the 1D, I don't consider your horse 1D. I saw someone on FB who was so proud to be "in the 1D" and she was at the very bottom and there were about 20 other runs "in the 1D" that didn't place. I get that she was excited about her good run and don't discount that, but the horse didn't REALLY run a 1D time. This is why you could get anything BUT when you try out a "1D" horse. I may get flamed for this but that's how I see it!! 1D on a standard is high 16, low 17.
So lets say your at futurity with the big dawgs and only 10 are in the 1D but they paid 8 spots. You wouldn't consider your horse that placed 9th a 1D horse?
I understand what your saying though....some ppl claim they have a 1d horse if he occasionally places in the bottom of the 1d sometimes.
LOL SOme people claim they have a 1D horse when they are at a show that uses 1 second splits and I have even seen some 1D brags where there were about 8 horses entered. |
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-04-22 10:22 AM
astreakinchic - 2015-04-22 7:08 AM
hammer_time - 2015-04-22 10:03 AM
Ok if you aren't PLACING in the 1D, I don't consider your horse 1D. I saw someone on FB who was so proud to be "in the 1D" and she was at the very bottom and there were about 20 other runs "in the 1D" that didn't place. I get that she was excited about her good run and don't discount that, but the horse didn't REALLY run a 1D time. This is why you could get anything BUT when you try out a "1D" horse. I may get flamed for this but that's how I see it!! 1D on a standard is high 16, low 17.
So lets say your at futurity with the big dawgs and only 10 are in the 1D but they paid 8 spots. You wouldn't consider your horse that placed 9th a 1D horse?
I understand what your saying though....some ppl claim they have a 1d horse if he occasionally places in the bottom of the 1d sometimes.
LOL SOme people claim they have a 1D horse when they are at a show that uses 1 second splits and I have even seen some 1D brags where there were about 8 horses entered.
Shew Flit you know anything thats for sale is 1D every trip with any age rider and 100% sound!  |
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