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Location: Texas | I saw a FB post by someone who has won a few good titles in her career, and to me it came off a little snobby. It was something a long the lines of "No horse of hers will ever have a needle in its joints or shoes on its feet"
Which I think is great if your horse can live happily that way. But what if your horse has navicular or something wrong with its feet? Or arthritis in its hocks or ankles? Something you can't control?
Do you just end its career? Or dope it up on pain killers? The comment made me feel bad for injecting my horses hocks, but you know what, if that's what makes him happy and as long as he loves to run barrels then why wouldn't I?
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Red Bull Agressive
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Location: North Dakota | Don't feel bad! I mean to each their own, but I'll do whatever I can to keep my horse sound to ride and comfortable. If she has some sort of gypsy magic that'll keep horses sound w/ no maintenance she better share!
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Fire Ant Peddler
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| Personally I do not know anyone at the professional level that does not inject when needed. |
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The Advice Guru
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| It is a discussion one needs to have with their vet, diagnosis, the prognosis, treatment options with prognosis, and go from there.
Education is key,
As a horse owner you should know every drug being given to your horse, the potential side effects, adverse reactions, and potential complications of every drug and procedure. |
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I just read the headlines
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| My preferences take a back seat to what is best for my horse . For instance, I would rather not show, but my horse has thin soles and does much better shod, I.prefer wool felt pads but my horse likes wool fleece. There is one thing I will not do and that is drug my horse so I can get him in the arena to run barrels. If he ever needs a drug for his mind, then we will find something else to do. |
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Location: Texas | Humans have their joints injected with HA and steroids for pain relief, why not horses?
Humans take Tylenol, Aleve, Advil for their pains, why not horses?
Humans take antacids, ulcer treatments for their tummy aches, why not horses?
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| I know exactly who you are talking about and thats why her horses are hit or miss. They are visibly sore and the barefoot shoe job may help keep them more sound but IMO injections are still needed. The fact they don't believe in injections is the exact reason they don't consistently win.
Also while I don't agree with her thoughts they are entitled to their opinion and I for one say let them not believe....its more money added to the pot for us to win 
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Extreme Veteran
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| Each person's personal opinion dictates what treatments their horse recieves as well as what their fed, equipment they use on and on. If this person truly believes injecting her horse will do more harm than good or that there are better options out there of course she's not going to. That is just the same as someone injecting on a schedule every 6 months whether the horse needs it thinking they are preventing the horse from becoming sore. I don't know why she feels like throwing that statement out at FB, but then there is a lot on FB I feel like is just asking for drama.
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  Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | I really think that personal opinions are that.. we all do what we feel is necessary and I dont think we all agree on some things or ways ..coming from my world to here ,personally I have never seen so many owners injecting other things besides hocks and stifles and frequent.. we dont do that we go another route or take time off to heal or something but thats not my business and I dont say its wrong.. because its how they choose to do things.. to the ones that dont inject well its their business... we all dont have to agree or say its wrong.... its really noone business what I choose or you choose to do with your horses..
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| astreakinchic - 2015-04-22 5:30 AM
I know exactly who you are talking about and thats why her horses are hit or miss. They are visibly sore and the barefoot shoe job may help keep them more sound but IMO injections are still needed. The fact they don't believe in injections is the exact reason they don't consistently win.
Also while I don't agree with her thoughts they are entitled to their opinion and I for one say let them not believe....its more money added to the pot for us to win
COuld not agree more!!! We had a person here that was bumping at making the NFR. Very close but not quite there. SHe would run her good horse at every little 100 added jackpot there was, not to mention do time onlys ( Like the horses needed them ) and also let several other people run her. SHe won everything for a while and now not at all. We all knew it would come to an end. I say let them do it, more money for you! |
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 I Chore in Chucks
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Location: MD | I was that way once, then discovered my horse has swelling in his RF and reoccuring SI issues. now I feel like anything possible to make my boy better, she may have not ran into issues like this yet so may be feeling that way now. Dont feel badly about injecting and making your horse feel good. You are putting your horse comfort on the front burner and that is a great thing.... thats something to be proud of. |
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| That always amazes me.... Do you think human athletes don't do extra things to feel comfortable and stay competitive ? So why do people think horses that were never intended to run around 3 barrels should do so with no help. I would bet BIG $ her horses are sore ! I go with what my vet recommends and what keeps my horse 100% happy & sound to perform at their best. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Coming from a small town to a very large city it was considered taboo almost to have any work other than a coggins or teeth floating done on your horses. Besides a trim. Even then if you put shoes on your horse, you were considered high class. LOL
So when people from my hometown hear about Chiro appointments or therapy treatments for my gelding they kind of snicker and snarl at me for "buying in to stuff that is all in your head." My own Dad even looked down on me taking my gelding to simple things like chiro appointments, acupuncture appointments, and sheath cleanings at the vet. He finally see's the difference now and supports me.
I would do just about anything for my gelding if my finances allowed me too. But for now, I'm doing what I can to keep him happy. |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | On the flip side........what if she had said I will inject, shoe, etc to make sure they keep running? Isn't that just as bad?
The jury is still out for me, but I have a tendency to think if they require the injections, etc and that much upkeep why make them keep running and tear them down further? Why not release them to do another discipline that doesn't require all that? That really is kinder for the horse. |
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| Fairweather - 2015-04-22 1:56 PM
On the flip side........what if she had said I will inject, shoe, etc to make sure they keep running? Isn't that just as bad?
The jury is still out for me, but I have a tendency to think if they require the injections, etc and that much upkeep why make them keep running and tear them down further? Why not release them to do another discipline that doesn't require all that? That really is kinder for the horse.
So if you pay 20k for a horse and he needs a once yearly coffin injection you'd rather just start showing him in halter because basically thats the only thing you can show in that will not stress that joint.
There are some ppl, who rather than inject, will just turn them out for 6 months to a year and allow the soreness to dissipate but when they go back into heavy work the soreness is there.
This sport is a business for those that haul. I have ones I love and try to do my best by them but saying injecting is "unkind" to the horse goes against scientific research and reasoning. I know aged horses that have went futurity to open horse and started being injected at the age of 4 for their hocks. They are were retired at 24 and are still going strong teaching kiddos how to ride in the pasture without PAIN because they are still injected.
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 Am I really the Weirdo?
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Location: Kansas | Fairweather - 2015-04-22 12:56 PM On the flip side........what if she had said I will inject, shoe, etc to make sure they keep running? Isn't that just as bad?
The jury is still out for me, but I have a tendency to think if they require the injections, etc and that much upkeep why make them keep running and tear them down further? Why not release them to do another discipline that doesn't require all that? That really is kinder for the horse.
I think there is a happy medium between never injecting and injecting way too much. One of my rodeo horses needs his coffin joints injected a couple times a year, and I think the other one is going to need at least one stifle injected periodically. I don't think that constitutes outrageous maintenance because these horses love their job and want to do it even if it hurts a little. It is my job as their owner to figure out when they are hurting and fix it. My old bay horse would not be happy doing another job.....he loves to run barrels.....so I owe it to him to keep him feeling as good as I can as long as I can. I am also crossing my fingers that someday he will decide to slow down and become a pee wee horse. LOL> |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | Not to many years ago i was on the i wont inject my horse band wagon........i jumped off pretty fast when my one mare came up lame......was much nicer to see her moving soundly and not sore.......so now im on inject band wagon....and all my horse get injected when they need it.....m |
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| rodeowithjoker - 2015-04-22 11:18 AM
Fairweather - 2015-04-22 12:56 PM On the flip side........what if she had said I will inject, shoe, etc to make sure they keep running? Isn't that just as bad?
The jury is still out for me, but I have a tendency to think if they require the injections, etc and that much upkeep why make them keep running and tear them down further? Why not release them to do another discipline that doesn't require all that? That really is kinder for the horse.
I think there is a happy medium between never injecting and injecting way too much. One of my rodeo horses needs his coffin joints injected a couple times a year, and I think the other one is going to need at least one stifle injected periodically. I don't think that constitutes outrageous maintenance because these horses love their job and want to do it even if it hurts a little. It is my job as their owner to figure out when they are hurting and fix it. My old bay horse would not be happy doing another job.....he loves to run barrels.....so I owe it to him to keep him feeling as good as I can as long as I can. I am also crossing my fingers that someday he will decide to slow down and become a pee wee horse. LOL>
There is a difference in the joints you inject to. Hocks can be injected as many times as you want, worst that can happen is the steroid fuses the hock and the horse is pain free anyway. Coffin joints are another issue. Coffins will last less and less the more times you do them. And eventually when the steroid destroys the coffin joint then horse will need to be euthanized. I have ONE horse that needs coffins done but have found for him keeping the hocks done takes the stress off the front end and he stays sound. Also used OSPHOS and pentosan/Polyglycan. |
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| I will say these anti injection people have decent 3D horses that could be decent 1D horses if their slight lameness issues were fixed.
Many times these ppl cannot even tell if their horse is off unless they are head bobbing lame at a walk. They don't understand why their horse does what is does on the pattern or what is actually causing their problems.
Its sad that mostly their horses are forced to work in pain and they never know it...I feel bad for them. They are tough sucked that go in without refusal and work but just don't clock. They coming out walking off and the owner is clueless to their slight lameness.
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Location: Texas | I am not against injections at all and everyone has their own opinion - which is completely fine.
I will say though, I will try to do other things to fix the problem or ease pain and discomfort before I run straight to the syringes and medicine bottles. I can't explain how much my chiropractor means to me and my horses or how grateful I am to have an equine rehabilitation facility to use any time I want. But if it comes down to my horses needing injections, consider it done. I put entirely too much effort, time, blood, sweat and tears into my horses. They will not be in pain. |
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