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| I'm wanting to get a new horse. I want to step up from 4Ds to 1D,2D. I have ride 1D horses. Just haven't in awhile. I've been looking and just Plan 3D horses with potential are outrageous. So I was told bout get a 2 coming 3 year old and get it professional trained. I really need some opinions on this. I don't know where to really start on my journey without getting screwed over! Please help me. I'd appreciate it! |
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 Saint Stacey
  
| By the time you pay training on a 3 year old, you could have had a pretty expensive horse. When you buy a finished horse, you are basically paying for the seasoning. You would be looking at 6 months to a year in mist cases before a colt would be ready for you to go on with. You still have no guarantee that the prospect will even make a barrel horse. Just some points to consider. Good luck with whatever decision you make! |
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Defense Attorney for The Horse
Location: Claremore, OK | I do 2 or 3 of these type of horses per year. Sometimes I buy for the customer and train, sometimes the customer buys and sends them. I've ridden them anywhere from 4 mo. To a year. in most cases, in the time you spend searching for 'the one', you could have one in training. I highly recommend it. A lot of times they have some age on them, like 4-6 yo, not just fut. age. |
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 Don't Wanna Make This Awkward
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Location: Texas | If you do this, ride other horse this trainer has trained and take some lessons from them, make sure you really match their style.
When you buy a finished horse you know what you are getting.
When you buy one and send it to the trainer you don't know what you'r getting. Will you be okay if you spend $10-$15k and end up with a consistent 3D horse? Will you be okay if it's a 1D horse but extremely hard to handle? What if the horse hates running barrels? What if it's a 1D horse with the trainer, but you constantly hit barrels or can't get it to turn?
I'm not saying that any of these things are going to happen, but you always run this risk. And I would say you are looking at $12k minimum, $5,000 for the horse plus $650 a month for a year to get the horse running. Not including shoeing or any vet costs, supplements. etc. For that price I can find a nice, finished horse |
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| Right now a few facebook pages have some horses clocking in the 1d and winning 2d times in the 12K range. |
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 Chasin my Dream
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Location: Alberta | outrundaizy - 2015-04-24 5:23 PM If you do this, ride other horse this trainer has trained and take some lessons from them, make sure you really match their style.
When you buy a finished horse you know what you are getting.
When you buy one and send it to the trainer you don't know what you'r getting. Will you be okay if you spend $10-$15k and end up with a consistent 3D horse? Will you be okay if it's a 1D horse but extremely hard to handle? What if the horse hates running barrels? What if it's a 1D horse with the trainer, but you constantly hit barrels or can't get it to turn?
I'm not saying that any of these things are going to happen, but you always run this risk. And I would say you are looking at $12k minimum, $5,000 for the horse plus $650 a month for a year to get the horse running. Not including shoeing or any vet costs, supplements. etc. For that price I can find a nice, finished horse
This.....
if you have never seasoned a horse before, it's a humbling experience and isnt always wonderful ....I'd find a finished horse.... |
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  Whack and Roll
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Location: NE Texas | I have a 4 yo filly that is cruising a nice set, exhibitioned a little over a second off the horse that won the barrel race and priced affordably. I'd look for something that has been started and hauled a little that is bred nice that has the potential when finished to be the caliber horse you are wanting. |
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| Itsme - 2015-04-24 4:41 PM
Right now a few facebook pages have some horses clocking in the 1d and winning 2d times in the 12K range.
There is a hole some place. That tough a horse is easily 25,000 |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | FLITASTIC - 2015-04-24 7:15 PM
Itsme - 2015-04-24 4:41 PM
Right now a few facebook pages have some horses clocking in the 1d and winning 2d times in the 12K range.
There is a hole some place. That tough a horse is easily 25,000
Do your homework but there is such a thing as a good deal to on a finished horse or prospect. My best broodmare I got at an awesome deal.
There's a lot of nice prospects out there too. Get a trainer that will help you find the prospect that's most likely to match your ability and style. A good trainer will work with you on that. I've known several who offer that. And of course lots of thumbs up for Liana's program. That's where my three year old is headed this weekend. |
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-04-24 7:15 PM
Itsme - 2015-04-24 4:41 PM
Right now a few facebook pages have some horses clocking in the 1d and winning 2d times in the 12K range.
There is a hole some place. That tough a horse is easily 25,000
I agree but it has the stats listed and videos from this year...I know a local girl just bought a horse and I heard the rumored price, it seemed 10K low. |
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Don't Wanna Make This Awkward
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Location: Texas | Itsme - 2015-04-24 7:30 PM FLITASTIC - 2015-04-24 7:15 PM Itsme - 2015-04-24 4:41 PM Right now a few facebook pages have some horses clocking in the 1d and winning 2d times in the 12K range. There is a hole some place. That tough a horse is easily 25,000 I agree but it has the stats listed and videos from this year...I know a local girl just bought a horse and I heard the rumored price, it seemed 10K low.
1D/2D locally is a totally different price range than 1D at supershows. You can absolutely find a 1D local horse for $15k. And facebook has become a great source at finding horses! Lots of people take advantage of free advertising so facebook and yputube are great |
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| outrundaizy - 2015-04-24 7:46 PM
Itsme - 2015-04-24 7:30 PM FLITASTIC - 2015-04-24 7:15 PM Itsme - 2015-04-24 4:41 PM Right now a few facebook pages have some horses clocking in the 1d and winning 2d times in the 12K range. There is a hole some place. That tough a horse is easily 25,000 I agree but it has the stats listed and videos from this year...I know a local girl just bought a horse and I heard the rumored price, it seemed 10K low.
I get sick of the super show BS, sure every once in a while a person will lay down a stupid fast run and smoke most people, but a 1d run is a 1d run.
Just yesterday you were talking about 16.5s on the standard when in reality they run a .6 every two years or so on the most perfect set up arena. Time to get over it, 1d is 1d against tough horses period. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Itsme - 2015-04-24 8:28 PM outrundaizy - 2015-04-24 7:46 PM Itsme - 2015-04-24 7:30 PM FLITASTIC - 2015-04-24 7:15 PM Itsme - 2015-04-24 4:41 PM Right now a few facebook pages have some horses clocking in the 1d and winning 2d times in the 12K range. There is a hole some place. That tough a horse is easily 25,000 I agree but it has the stats listed and videos from this year...I know a local girl just bought a horse and I heard the rumored price, it seemed 10K low. I get sick of the super show BS, sure every once in a while a person will lay down a stupid fast run and smoke most people, but a 1d run is a 1d run. Just yesterday you were talking about 16.5s on the standard when in reality they run a .6 every two years or so on the most perfect set up arena. Time to get over it, 1d is 1d against tough horses period.
Sorry, but that's not always the case. Especially if those big dog 1D horses aren't running locally because the $ probably isn't worth their time and wear and tear on their horse..
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| Longneck - 2015-04-24 9:55 PM
Itsme - 2015-04-24 8:28 PM outrundaizy - 2015-04-24 7:46 PM Itsme - 2015-04-24 7:30 PM FLITASTIC - 2015-04-24 7:15 PM Itsme - 2015-04-24 4:41 PM Right now a few facebook pages have some horses clocking in the 1d and winning 2d times in the 12K range. There is a hole some place. That tough a horse is easily 25,000 I agree but it has the stats listed and videos from this year...I know a local girl just bought a horse and I heard the rumored price, it seemed 10K low. I get sick of the super show BS, sure every once in a while a person will lay down a stupid fast run and smoke most people, but a 1d run is a 1d run. Just yesterday you were talking about 16.5s on the standard when in reality they run a .6 every two years or so on the most perfect set up arena. Time to get over it, 1d is 1d against tough horses period.
Where were they for the American?
That lady from SD should have been smoked by .8, or maybe the big dogs didnt show up because of the small payout...
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Herbie - 2015-04-24 7:09 PM I have a 4 yo filly that is cruising a nice set, exhibitioned a little over a second off the horse that won the barrel race and priced affordably. I'd look for something that has been started and hauled a little that is bred nice that has the potential when finished to be the caliber horse you are wanting.
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 Mature beyond Years
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | Pay the money and get one that's almost finished. That's my advice. I'm seasoning one right now and it's for the birds, but that's just me because I hate seasoning horses. Love riding colts and once they are past 90 days they aren't for me and riding/running finished horses. None of this in between crap. If I could it all over again, I'd just pay the money. |
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Location: East of the Pecos | Liana D - 2015-04-24 6:02 PM I do 2 or 3 of these type of horses per year. Sometimes I buy for the customer and train, sometimes the customer buys and sends them. I've ridden them anywhere from 4 mo. To a year. in most cases, in the time you spend searching for 'the one', you could have one in training. I highly recommend it. A lot of times they have some age on them, like 4-6 yo, not just fut. age.
This is what I would do, have someone you trust help pick out an older prospect 5-6 yrs. old more or less and train it for you. This person will be able to get on an older horse and tell if they have the feel or mind to make a nice horse in the least amount of time. I think the time spent searching can be frustrating and you will see horses all over the country and be tempted to go here and there and it's not worth it when you could end up with a better horse after training and ride it along with the trainer during the latter stages. My biggest advice is take your time, get a pro to help you, and don't buy sight unseen. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Bug Is Alive - 2015-04-25 8:09 AM
Liana D - 2015-04-24 6:02 PM I do 2 or 3 of these type of horses per year. Sometimes I buy for the customer and train, sometimes the customer buys and sends them. I've ridden them anywhere from 4 mo. To a year. in most cases, in the time you spend searching for 'the one', you could have one in training. I highly recommend it. A lot of times they have some age on them, like 4-6 yo, not just fut. age.
This is what I would do, have someone you trust help pick out an older prospect 5-6 yrs. old more or less and train it for you. This person will be able to get on an older horse and tell if they have the feel or mind to make a nice horse in the least amount of time. I think the time spent searching can be frustrating and you will see horses all over the country and be tempted to go here and there and it's not worth it when you could end up with a better horse after training and ride it along with the trainer during the latter stages. My biggest advice is take your time, get a pro to help you, and don't buy sight unseen.
See my signature!!! I have the perfect one advertised on this site! ;)
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Location: Texas | I didn't read all the comments, but this is my two cents....
Futurity horses require complete dedication. From training to seasoning and everything in between.
My good friend currently has a 2 year old for sale, it's broke (not to ride though), has very nice papers and she is asking $6,000. I know this horse will be a jam up barrel horse. But, after the money spent on a trainer and seasoning, you're going to be in at least another 5K - at minimum.
A finished barrel horse, high caliber, will start at $15,000 - all day long. If you find one for less, it will usually be for 1 of 3 reasons; age, health or arena/general horse issues.
So, with all that being said, I would suggest finding a finished horse. 
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I Really Love Jeans
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Location: North Dakota | When I was looking two years ago to get a trained barrel horse that was good for a beginner, I found it VERY hard to even find a decent horse, especially a trained barrel horse!!! I drove a few thousand miles and rode several horses until I found a match! BUT guess what, I was lied to by a WPRA rider and ended up with an expensive lame barrel horse that I ended up having to sell as a broodie!! I trusted someones WORD and got cheated!!!!!!! So I do think it is worth every penny to invest in a youngster and spend the time and money putting proper training into it!!!!!!!!!!!! But get a trainer with a solid reputation!! |
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