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Location: My own little world :) | Hello all? I was just curious how much Slick By Designs offspring is worth and/or how much people are advertising them for. I wasn't sure if there were any out and about yet as I'm not sure how old his first foal crop is yet. I would just like to kind of feel this out because I am thinking about breeding to him but want to be sure there is some resale value there in the event I don't get to keep the baby. I have just noticed a lot of foals of his have been born in the last year or two and wasn't sure if the market would be flooded. Would it be smarter to sell them as weanlings or hold on to them to keep as futurity colts to sell later? Thanks. |
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| Usually it's two to three times the stud fee is how you figure foal value |
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Location: God's country | I'd be curious to know as well. We had a filly born earlier this month by him.
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| Tn_Barrelracer - 2015-04-28 7:47 PM
Usually it's two to three times the stud fee is how you figure foal value
I've also heard this figure used for pricing yearlings. Of course there are so many other things to take into consideration, and I think the quality of the dam is going to have a huge impact on the value. |
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Location: Texas | If it helps I was already asked to price a slick by design baby before it was even conceived.. sooo, I wouldn't worry too much. I would think 5000 baseline out of solid mares.. granted, the really nice mares will have very expensive slick babies, and the less popular bred horses will not command as much.
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| I agree you have to take into consideration the dam and also color on certain stallions. I have a black daughter of Dash For Perks out of a AAA an producing daughter of Master Hand in foal to him for 2016 |
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Location: My own little world :) | The mare that I would be breeding is a daughter by Darkelly with Beduino on the bottom side. She has only been a broodmare her whole life and hasn't had very many foals so I don't think she really counts as a stand out mare but I think her papers are a little better than run of the mill. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Jenbabe - 2015-04-28 9:05 PM
Tn_Barrelracer - 2015-04-28 7:47 PM
Usually it's two to three times the stud fee is how you figure foal value
I've also heard this figure used for pricing yearlings. Of course there are so many other things to take into consideration, and I think the quality of the dam is going to have a huge impact on the value.
This^^^ The value is better from a well-papered mare than from a scrub... |
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| Stud fee $2000 plus vetting, mare care and misc will take you to $3000 in a hurry. Then feeding and caring for the mare for 18 months and handling and caring for the foal for 6 months without any problems is another $2000 and you will want the breeder to only ask 2-3 times the stud fee??!!
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| Whatever you can get a sucker to pay you for one LOL
Robin H. had a royally bred firewaterontherocks x pie in the sky mare that she reasonably priced at 10k and sold within a few hours, she priced to sale. She could have easily asked more IMO. Foals are worth whatever you can get a sucker to pay.
When we sold our first high priced colt the lady wrote the check at the futurity and asked, "Do you think these horses are worth what we pay for them." The owner just laughed and said, "Only if you can get a sucker to pay it!" I always think of that and giggle....horses are worth what people will pay. And theres a huge difference in reasonably pricing one to sale, putting one up for sale (if he sales fine, if he don't fine) and then there pricing one to sale.
The fourth category is if you walk up to me and I have no thoughts of selling before you approached me, then you better have deep pockets. On the fourth kind I'll ask an outrageous price because I don't want to sale and some ppl will get offended but hey they weren't for sale and you asked for a price, don't get offended when I ask a crazy price betting you can't afford it. But there has been the occasional time we've bet wrong and they can afford the crazy price even when we didn't want to sale.
Slick babies are unproven so your going to have a hard time selling them to ppl thats been in the business if your asking a high price. This first foal crop isn't going to command an extremely high price right off the bat but like I said are you wanting a reasonable price, naming a price (if he sales fine if he don't fine), or pricing to sale? |
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Location: My own little world :) | astreakinchic - 2015-04-29 7:22 AM
Whatever you can get a sucker to pay you for one LOL
Robin H. had a royally bred firewaterontherocks x pie in the sky mare that she reasonably priced at 10k and sold within a few hours, she priced to sale. She could have easily asked more IMO. Foals are worth whatever you can get a sucker to pay.
When we sold our first high priced colt the lady wrote the check at the futurity and asked, "Do you think these horses are worth what we pay for them." The owner just laughed and said, "Only if you can get a sucker to pay it!" I always think of that and giggle....horses are worth what people will pay. And theres a huge difference in reasonably pricing one to sale, putting one up for sale (if he sales fine, if he don't fine) and then there pricing one to sale.
The fourth category is if you walk up to me and I have no thoughts of selling before you approached me, then you better have deep pockets. On the fourth kind I'll ask an outrageous price because I don't want to sale and some ppl will get offended but hey they weren't for sale and you asked for a price, don't get offended when I ask a crazy price betting you can't afford it. But there has been the occasional time we've bet wrong and they can afford the crazy price even when we didn't want to sale.
Slick babies are unproven so your going to have a hard time selling them to ppl thats been in the business if your asking a high price. This first foal crop isn't going to command an extremely high price right off the bat but like I said are you wanting a reasonable price, naming a price (if he sales fine if he don't fine), or pricing to sale?
Thank you for this! This is very thorough and gives me a lot to think about. This is my mare's pedigree: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/ima+darkelly+gal. Like I said I think she has a decent set of papers but not fantastic. Since the foals are unproven would it be wise to keep one longer? Thanks :) |
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| Well right now everyone is real big on darkelly bc of kellys chick. Your mare is decent but she's no blue hen so she's not gonna jump out and catch the eye of futurity ppl, and some will shy away because of the beduino. I'd hang onto him, put a handle on him, and try him myself just so I could see the mind and athleticism slick is throwing first hand..chances are your going to get a higher price. But if he don't turn out to be what your looking for sale as a late 2 or early 3 while ppl think he is still going to be a hot rod futurity colt LOL
ETA that is a gorgeous mare! Do you have a picture of her setting up in under herself you can add?
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Location: Kansas | I think alot of it is the dams side as well....that determines worth of the baby. Color too. |
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-04-29 2:17 AM
Stud fee $2000 plus vetting, mare care and misc will take you to $3000 in a hurry. Then feeding and caring for the mare for 18 months and handling and caring for the foal for 6 months without any problems is another $2000 and you will want the breeder to only ask 2-3 times the stud fee??!!
I hope you guys are joking ...
That is why I think it is hard to accept paying that kind of fee for a unproven sire. Three times his stud fee is going to be $6000 you are BARELY breaking even and I know I have more then that in mine because I had a HECK of a time getting my mare in foal to him so vet fees outrageous lol. But on the other end I can buy a FWOTR out of a nice mare for $10,000 to 12,000 and he is PROVEN and PROVEN producer so why the heck would I gamble on a unproven producer and pay the same $ ? Unless I just personally totally loved him ? Answer is simple for me I wouldn't. Everyone will price them different so we will see and I hope he turns out to be a incredible producer! |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | And all of this is why I did not breed to Slick this year, nice as he is. And I have a couple super bred mares. |
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Location: Piedmont, OK | People who do not breed do not always understand the price tags on yearlings because they have no idea how much work goes into getting that baby on the ground and the $$$$ involved. I hope everyone reads this thread :) |
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Location: Texas | Well I will also say, if you're going into it to turn a profit.. that's going to be really hard. With any horse, not just him. If you take into account everything that could possibly go wrong.. you'll be in the red.
I lost money on my First Down French colt and I sold him for 4500. That's what he was worth, being a sorrel colt out of a maiden mare. But he had some vet bills as a baby that put me over what he was worth.
I lost money on the Confederate Leader I sold because I did a partial trade + cash for another horse. But it was totally worth it and we got a steal on a finished horse because of it.
The two yearlings I have this year I would definitely make money on if I decided to sell them, but we are keeping both. That whole year was an easy year- got three mares in foal, averaged about $600 each in vet bills, no complications during pregnancy, foaling, or after. And we decided to keep. LOL.
The two mares we are breeding this year, so far it looks like the JOH mare would turn a profit because she took on one try, has not needed any regumate, and so far it's been smooth. My stoli mare will probably lose money again because she slipped between day 15-20, and we are treating her a second time for a uterine infection. We didn't breed her until she cultured negative the first time.. and somehow got dirty again. So she's spending her second trip at the vet, second round of cultures, second round of lavages and systemic antibiotics, second round of preg checks, second round of shipping...
LONG story short.. It's really hard to make money doing this.
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| casualdust07 - 2015-04-29 11:20 AM
Well I will also say, if you're going into it to turn a profit.. that's going to be really hard. With any horse, not just him. If you take into account everything that could possibly go wrong.. you'll be in the red.
I lost money on my First Down French colt and I sold him for 4500. That's what he was worth, being a sorrel colt out of a maiden mare. But he had some vet bills as a baby that put me over what he was worth.
I lost money on the Confederate Leader I sold because I did a partial trade + cash for another horse. But it was totally worth it and we got a steal on a finished horse because of it.
The two yearlings I have this year I would definitely make money on if I decided to sell them, but we are keeping both. That whole year was an easy year- got three mares in foal, averaged about $600 each in vet bills, no complications during pregnancy, foaling, or after. And we decided to keep. LOL.
The two mares we are breeding this year, so far it looks like the JOH mare would turn a profit because she took on one try, has not needed any regumate, and so far it's been smooth. My stoli mare will probably lose money again because she slipped between day 15-20, and we are treating her a second time for a uterine infection. We didn't breed her until she cultured negative the first time.. and somehow got dirty again. So she's spending her second trip at the vet, second round of cultures, second round of lavages and systemic antibiotics, second round of preg checks, second round of shipping...
LONG story short.. It's really hard to make money doing this.
YES I paid a $3600 vet bill yesterday on three mares that is the second bill of that amount I have paid this year and not counting my cultures, teeth etc I done previous to dropping them off to start breeding. I have well over $3000 JUST IN VET FEES no shipping, fuel money etc on my mare in foal to SBD and I haul almost 2hrs one way to vet. UGH it is NOT a way to make a profit lol |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | I've had three foals at this point, sold two, and flipped one broodmare. I broke even on the broodmare I sold by the time you added in purchase price (1000) and gas, stud fee (stallion auction though for cheap, only $300 on a nice stud) and one big unexpected vet bill for two corneal ulcers. But I sold her for 1750 more than I paid and only had her about 7 months. The girl who bought her and I are great facebook friends and talk breeding all the time. We have very similar taste in bloodlines. So I got a friend out of the deal.
On my two babies, IF you were only taking into account the money I spent on breeding, feed, and vet. Well I did okay. The first baby I kept I would have profited on based on a few offers I turned down but she's not going any where, ever. The first baby I sold, I had $1500 in stud fee (with shipping), $500 in vet bills for mare, $250 in vet bills for baby, $250 in insurance, $250 in incentives, $750 in feed. Sold her for 7500. The second, $1100 in stud fee (with shipping), $250 in vet, $150 in incentives, $125 in insurance, $750 in feed. Sold for 4500. Honestly the second baby I would have bred differently and made more on if we hadn't been breeding for a track baby for ourselves and decided to sell at the last minute. Still did okay though. I've had great luck with easy breeding mares though.
Unfortunately, I only have had one very nice broodmare and we own 12 other horses in addition to her. My futurity prospect is expensive, lol. And of course I'm breeding my dream baby this year that I'm keeping from the profits I made last year. So we've had a net loss though it looks like a profit if you are ONLY looking at the breeding side.
Of course I just bought another really nice broodmare and have my eyes open for another one though it will probably be fall or early next spring before we move on it. (I had one all picked out and then it went and died, pooh). That dream baby, well if its a filly will one day join the broodmare band and hopefully really increase what I can make. If its a colt, I'm not sure on that yet. I'm exploring all avenues.
All that said, even with a great mare, I didn't want to compete with 200 other babies on a stallion that is a proven performer but not yet a proven producer. Now if I was keeping it, that would be a WHOLE different kettle of fish. If he becomes a proven producer and I'm looking at breeding another broodmare prospect I may rethink him. He's certainly a VERY NICE horse. |
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