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Location: Texas | Trying to help someone out, have any of you ever tried a treeless saddle and a horse started bucking?? She was riding in a treed saddlle for the past 4 or 5 months.....
has been riding and running in a treeless for the past couple months. Has ran just fine with it at barrel races but on 2 occasions bucked in the practice pen. Just trying to help her pinpoint the problem |
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| It is a possibility, could be the pad you are using with it to ! |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Yes |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Yes, they can pinch if they don't fit right. |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | I reckon anything is possible but I've never thought that is what has made mine buck feeling frisky yes. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Yes it can, her horse maybe sore..Lots of times a treeless will sore them up. |
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Location: Abbotsford B.C. Canada | I think a treeless saddle would easily put pressure on the spinal processes. I would suggest you contact an expert like Dr. Hillary Clayton at Michigan State U who has done a ton of work on saddle fit.
I do not see how you can avoid the saddle really coming down on the spine even if it had a lot of padding. This would be especially tricky as you need to cinch up well.
I could see where the seat bones could push down and create an uneven pressure point and really bother a horse.
The whole idea of a tree is to keep weight clear of the spine and get the weight on the long back muscles. Yes you can ride a horse bare back for fun light riding for a short time, but not with the pressure and force barrel racing /training would generate. Look to see where the contact is and if the back bone/spine has no clearance it would hurt the horse I would think.
My two cents into the discussion. Not an expert. |
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Location: Arkansas | Here's a little bit of an article that explains why a treeless could possibly make a horses back sore.. At least an explanation..
only a solid tree or very well constructed treeless saddle with correct padding can keep the rider off the horse’s spine and distribute weight evenly across the horse's back without creating localized pressure points. Pressure should never be put directly on the spinuous processes of the horse nor on the ligament system that runs alongside the spine, and many treeless designs do result in rider-related pressure in this area. |
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| What cinch and what pad? Some horses just don't like the extra "feel" they get in a Sports Saddle. Some horses feel so much better and freer in a Sports Saddle that they will "play".
Any saddle can sore up a horse, personally I have had and seen way more sore horses in treed saddled then treeless (personally have never seen a sore horse from a sports saddle and have been using them for over 10 years).
People shy away from Sports Saddles due to other people's opinions and articles on them, very few (not saying none, but few) from first hand experience.
Edited to add that the riders weight has a lot to do with if you and your horses will like a Sports Saddle or not. Also, how you ride your stirrups. They aren't for everyone for sure. Also, comparing a Sports Saddle to riding bareback is apples and oranges :-)
Edited by MeepMeep 2015-04-29 7:20 AM
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Location: Texas | I don't think it's the cinch or the pad it doesn't roll on his back, when you take it off there are no dry spots..... It's all wet and she rides her other horses in it with the same pad without problems. The horse has a long back, wonder if it just sits different on him??? Or maybe it's just to much feel to him and he doesn't like, or like someone said it maybe pinching somehow??
I have rode a lot in treeless and never had a problem either, but this just seemed odd to me since he never did that when she was riding with a treed saddlle.
As far as her weight she probably weighs around 150-160 lbs
Edited by kickincans 2015-04-29 6:47 PM
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Location: MS | I peronally would not buy a treeless saddle. However, I do know several professional riders that ride Bob Marshall saddles....not CHEAP imitations (ie, hilason)
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Location: Texas | It's not a cheap one its one of those nearly blinged $2000.00 ones. But to me just because it's what is is doesn't mean it is gonna work on all horses, to me it's no different than a treed saddles if it don't fit a horse they may buck with one of those as well.
Just checking to see if maybe anyone else has had one buck in a treeless |
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| Yes, I had a mare that has never bucked but when I rode her with a treeless she bucked. I didn't like it either so I sold it.. |
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Location: Texas | Early day horseman rode bareback. From traveling to waging war, for hundreds of years, man rode without a saddle.
Yes I am defending my decision to ride a Bob Marshall. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | workerbee - 2015-04-30 9:52 AM Early day horseman rode bareback. From traveling to waging war, for hundreds of years, man rode without a saddle. Yes I am defending my decision to ride a Bob Marshall.
No one has to defend riding in a treeless. You ride in what works for you.
There is a big difference in riding bareback and riding in a treeless. |
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| I think it can make one buck just like a treed saddle has made one of mine hump up thats used to getting rode in a treeless. Horses and people have their own preferences, and what works for one may not work for another. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | workerbee - 2015-04-30 9:52 AM
Early day horseman rode bareback. From traveling to waging war, for hundreds of years, man rode without a saddle.
Yes I am defending my decision to ride a Bob Marshall.
And why do you feel like you need to defend yourself, who cares what you ride in, its no ones business, the OP asked a question.  |
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Location: Texas | Nevertooold - 2015-04-30 10:01 AM
workerbee - 2015-04-30 9:52 AM Early day horseman rode bareback. From traveling to waging war, for hundreds of years, man rode without a saddle. Yes I am defending my decision to ride a Bob Marshall.
No one has to defend riding in a treeless. You ride in what works for you.
There is a big difference in riding bareback and riding in a treeless.
When you say there is a big difference, what do you mean? Inquisitive not argumentative. |
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Location: Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2015-04-30 10:46 AM
workerbee - 2015-04-30 9:52 AM
Early day horseman rode bareback. From traveling to waging war, for hundreds of years, man rode without a saddle.
Yes I am defending my decision to ride a Bob Marshall.
And why do you feel like you need to defend yourself, who cares what you ride in, its no ones business, the OP asked a question.
Yes, I understand that the OP asked a question. My response was lighthearted meaning horses have been rode longer than saddles have been around. |
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Location: Piedmont, OK | Any improper fitting saddle treed or treeless could cause a horse to buck |
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