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Location: Loma Linda, CA | I was thinking of sending my futurity filly out to a reining trainer (Bob Avila) to get her start, but then one of my friends said to send her to a barrel trainer.... but all the barrel trainers I know say to send them to a reining or cutting trainer first.
Ah!
I hate this whole 2 year old game already lol.
I'm still leaning on sending her to Bob anyways. The reiners are just so broke and soft and I love running the ones with reining training on barrels, they seem to literally just slide around them.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | My new first rule is to send them to someone that will feed them.
Bo Stewart broke my filly with Gunnar Enlow now and he but a great reining foundation on her. I'm not big player in this game by any means, but I really like the way my filly is broke and she's doing well in training with Gunnar. |
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| I personally like working cow or cutting trainers better, but if you like and ride x reiners I would say go that way. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | They do get soft if you send them to a reining trainer. Sometimes they get too soft.
Teryn Muench does a good job. He does both reining and cutting but knows the difference between a horse that will show in these events and one that is going to barrels. Tell him what you are doing and he will get them well broke without having their head buried in their chest. Teryn has our six year old and this horse is one tough cookie. He's doing well with him.
Really recommend Liana Deweese for a continuing foundation or to train for the barrels themselves. She has my three year old right now. She'll get the six year old when Teryn releases him. |
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Shipwrecked and Flat Out Zapped
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | oija - 2015-04-29 12:32 PM They do get soft if you send them to a reining trainer. Sometimes they get too soft. Teryn Muench does a good job. He does both reining and cutting but knows the difference between a horse that will show in these events and one that is going to barrels. Tell him what you are doing and he will get them well broke without having their head buried in their chest. Teryn has our six year old and this horse is one tough cookie. He's doing well with him. Really recommend Liana Deweese for a continuing foundation or to train for the barrels themselves. She has my three year old right now. She'll get the six year old when Teryn releases him.
I hear good thing after good thing about Liana. |
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Location: Alberta | The trainer I send to cowboys off the horses he breaks, if I had to say his "discipline" he used to train a lot for reining and reining cow horse competitions, but majority of what he does is ranch work miles. He puts an amazing handle on a horse, I like the variety he offers them, not just arena miles but they learn to work and how to handle themselves. |
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Location: Loma Linda, CA | Yeah, I just talked to Bob and told him she's a barrel futurity horse and he said that was fine. I honestly thought he would say no since he's a reiner haha!
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Location: WI | Call the barrel trainer you plan on using and ask him/her who they use. They know who they like to ride behind. I would think Bob A would be a little overkill for breaking one out.... |
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| We get colts from big name cutters and reiners that the owner is just tickled pink with and say that the trainer did this and that with and blah blah blah. Well we can tell that they didn't really ride said horse. Yes, it will ride without bucking, stop, back up, and hold gaits etc... But these trainers sometimes see people from other disciplines coming a mile away. What I mean is this big name trainer charged you upwards of $1200 month for their apprentice who knows jack diddly to ride them, or they themselves only rode them maybe 12 times for their whole 2-3 month stay. You probably could have got a horse trainer or kid down the street to get them basic broke for you much cheaper and have the same basic handle put on them.
Many people don't realize those trainers can make a goat ride like it has a handle when you come for your viewing of your colt. But you get up there and try to make it do the same things and its much harder for you. All I'm saying is be sure that these trainers from other disciplines will actually ride your horse, especially if your shelling out the moolah for it. |
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Location: Loma Linda, CA | I'd think that if Bob is as respected a horseman as he is that my horse should be broke like it.
And I realize it will most likely be someone else riding my filly, but would he really want his name trashed? He's got too much of a reputation. |
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| 60-90 days with a reining trainer then onto barrel trainer. I want mine BROKE lol |
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Location: NE Texas | Chase Shafer has my 2 YO El Scorcho filly. She should be ready to come home soon after 30 days. I asked him to not treat her like a fragile little barrel pony and to expose her to any and everything possible while she's there. The only thing I expect in 30 days is for her to be safe to get on and follow her nose. Walk, trot, lope, stop, and starting to back. I am capable of putting all of the handle and feel on my colts myself and prefer to so I know where the buttons are at and how to push them. Anyway, I received these pictures from him earlier this week. Needless to say, i'm happy with her and excited to get her home.
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Location: Loma Linda, CA | I honestly just feel like this whole thing becomes complicated.
Everytime I pick a trainer someone has something bad to say and then I get worried that my horse won't be what I want it to be.
Thats why I picked a big name like Bob. I don't wanna pick someone who's gonna put a so-so handle on her.
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| astreakinchic - 2015-04-29 12:41 PM
We get colts from big name cutters and reiners that the owner is just tickled pink with and say that the trainer did this and that with and blah blah blah. Well we can tell that they didn't really ride said horse. Yes, it will ride without bucking, stop, back up, and hold gaits etc... But these trainers sometimes see people from other disciplines coming a mile away. What I mean is this big name trainer charged you upwards of $1200 month for their apprentice who knows jack diddly to ride them, or they themselves only rode them maybe 12 times for their whole 2-3 month stay. You probably could have got a horse trainer or kid down the street to get them basic broke for you much cheaper and have the same basic handle put on them.
Many people don't realize those trainers can make a goat ride like it has a handle when you come for your viewing of your colt. But you get up there and try to make it do the same things and its much harder for you. All I'm saying is be sure that these trainers from other disciplines will actually ride your horse, especially if your shelling out the moolah for it.
I agree 100% ! My reining guy has someone that rides them the first week or depending on if they buck ( I haven't sent him any that were buckers) ride them the first few mins then he gets on them. I always go ride them to see if I am satisfied with where they are before I take them onto my barrel trainer. I agree they can make a donkey look good but if you can find a HONEST trainer stick with them ! I LOVE who starts mine his name is Chris Hull from Hull Performance Horses in Madisonville Tn if anyone in the area is looking for a trainer. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I've heard that the donkey is coming home with her too...... |
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| Tn_Barrelracer - 2015-04-29 1:50 PM
astreakinchic - 2015-04-29 12:41 PM
We get colts from big name cutters and reiners that the owner is just tickled pink with and say that the trainer did this and that with and blah blah blah. Well we can tell that they didn't really ride said horse. Yes, it will ride without bucking, stop, back up, and hold gaits etc... But these trainers sometimes see people from other disciplines coming a mile away. What I mean is this big name trainer charged you upwards of $1200 month for their apprentice who knows jack diddly to ride them, or they themselves only rode them maybe 12 times for their whole 2-3 month stay. You probably could have got a horse trainer or kid down the street to get them basic broke for you much cheaper and have the same basic handle put on them.
Many people don't realize those trainers can make a goat ride like it has a handle when you come for your viewing of your colt. But you get up there and try to make it do the same things and its much harder for you. All I'm saying is be sure that these trainers from other disciplines will actually ride your horse, especially if your shelling out the moolah for it.
I agree 100% ! My reining guy has someone that rides them the first week or depending on if they buck ( I haven't sent him any that were buckers ) ride them the first few mins then he gets on them. I always go ride them to see if I am satisfied with where they are before I take them onto my barrel trainer. I agree they can make a donkey look good but if you can find a HONEST trainer stick with them ! I LOVE who starts mine his name is Chris Hull from Hull Performance Horses in Madisonville Tn if anyone in the area is looking for a trainer.
Chris is good, no problem riding after his! Most cutters and reiners have "gallop boys" as we call them hehehehe 
The trouble is ppl think they have found an honest trainer but really not so much...
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| There are very few people I will send a horse too.
One is a cutting trainer, I have rode with and for him for many years. I know what he does every single day and I know i can ride my horse after he is done.
I acatualy think that is very important and gets very much over looked. You must fond sombody that you can ride after, or be willing to take lessons to learn how to use your horses buttons.
I know many things are the same the basics, but when you really get to polishing a horse up, some trainers can be very difficult to ride behind and have your horse work good for you.
A BB has my young mare right now, and i am extremely impressed with the job shes doing, and the extra care shes putting into my mare. She had not been ridden in over a year, found out her back was very out. She got her fixed and shes already on barrels looking fantastic! But I really like how she rides and how quite she stays with her hands and body.
I can not fallow up after an aggressive rider on barrels, I just can't lol. |
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Gettin Jiggy Wit It
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| oija - 2015-04-29 12:32 PM They do get soft if you send them to a reining trainer. Sometimes they get too soft. Teryn Muench does a good job. He does both reining and cutting but knows the difference between a horse that will show in these events and one that is going to barrels. Tell him what you are doing and he will get them well broke without having their head buried in their chest. Teryn has our six year old and this horse is one tough cookie. He's doing well with him. Really recommend Liana Deweese for a continuing foundation or to train for the barrels themselves. She has my three year old right now. She'll get the six year old when Teryn releases him.
There is no such thing as to soft.... or to broke. Problem is a lot of people just cant ride broke horses (lessons and time fixes that problem). So many people have problems with their horses because their horses just arent broke nearly enough.... Thats my soap box for the day. |
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Whack and Roll
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Location: NE Texas | LRQHS - 2015-04-29 12:51 PM I've heard that the donkey is coming home with her too......
Oh I sure hope so!!!!! You know I love donkeys!!!!! |
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| WetSaddleBlankets - 2015-04-29 1:02 PM
oija - 2015-04-29 12:32 PM They do get soft if you send them to a reining trainer. Sometimes they get too soft. Teryn Muench does a good job. He does both reining and cutting but knows the difference between a horse that will show in these events and one that is going to barrels. Tell him what you are doing and he will get them well broke without having their head buried in their chest. Teryn has our six year old and this horse is one tough cookie. He's doing well with him. Really recommend Liana Deweese for a continuing foundation or to train for the barrels themselves. She has my three year old right now. She'll get the six year old when Teryn releases him.
There is no such thing as to soft.... or to broke. Problem is a lot of people just cant ride broke horses (lessons and time fixes that problem). So many people have problems with their horses because their horses just arent broke nearly enough.... Thats my soap box for the day.
Respectfully disagree. I understand what Oija is saying. |
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