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| I regularly see horses advertised as 1D-2D with 6 months' hauling or less. I'm no professional trainer, but I do like to train my own, and I have never had a horse that I'd call 1D-2D within a short period of time of hauling. My current horse has been hauling about a year and is 3D most anywhere and 2D sometimes. I think he has the potential to be 1D-2D/rodeo quality, but it's not happening overnight. I work full-time and have 2 kids with a busy youth rodeo schedule of their own, so that limits my ability to ride every day and enter consistently, but still, how do people get their horses to that point in short periods of time???? Am I missing something? I know there are exceptional horses out there who progress really quickly, but in all my years "tinkering", I've never come across one. |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | Definitely can happen. May not be consistent but I have seen it. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | I have had two...a mother and now her daughter is heading the same way......m |
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| I think there are a lot of people that push horses along too fast... so, while they may be clocking 1D-2D locally, their longevity at that level isn't guaranteed. In fact, I don't think I'd have any interest in a horse clocking those times after only 6 months on barrels. I absolutely believe there are those "freaks of nature" out there with tons of natural ability... but I'm a skeptic. I think it's a situation where I would have to truly KNOW the horse in order to believe that it's that talented. I'd rather have a horse that is solid, sound, and sane clocking a second off after 6 months, rather than a horse rushed along into the 1D/2D after 6 months.
But that's just me. I like a well rounded solid FUN horse. I don't want a horse that's going to fall apart after one season.
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Location: Pacific Northwest | I've actually seen it happen a lot. Some horses it just comes natural to them. They aren't necessarily perfect, or consistently in the 1D or 2D, but there are a few people in this area who will start bringing a colt or futurity horse out and before I know it they're beating me lol |
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Location: The edge of no where | I had one..........only one, out of the tons I've riden. He was a FREAK. Came off the track and had been blown up as a rope horse. Extremely light and kinda a run away but would hunt a barrel. He immediately started clocking and was in the 1D or 2D unless he bled.
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Location: Texas | I have one right now. He has NEVER been hauled before I bought him end of NOV. By the 4th time I enterd him he was in the 1d. Since then he has been consistantly 2d against RODEO horses. The girl that owned him and trained him did an amazing job. He is broke broke broke and is just getting used to the sights. I am not pushing him at all and he is having baby mistake but if he just has a smooth run he is going to be in the 2d against some nice horses. He is super smooth and has a long stride and makes it look effortless. I am looking forward to his future.
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| barrelbasher - 2015-05-14 1:33 PM
I have no be right now. He has NEVER been hauled before I bought him end of NOV. By the 4th time I enterd him he was in the 1d. Since then he ha been consistantly 2d against RODEO horses. The girl that owned him and trained him did an amazing job. He is broke broke broke and is just getting used to the sight. I am not pushing him at all and he is having baby mistake but if he just has a smooth run he is going to be in the 2d against some nice horses. He is super smooth and has a long stride and makes it look effortless. I am looking forward to his future.
very exciting! I think the broker the horse, the more likely they can handle the speed. |
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| If they are a good one usually it will come quick...this is the norm.
If it takes a year then I consider them not a good one and sale LOL Kidding but seriously if they aren't clocking after 6 months of hauling i'm going to sale to someone who doesn't play the futurity game.
Key word you said was hauling. Do you really mean just started?
I've seen just started being the case to and those types are wicked but hard to hold together.
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Location: Silver Lake, MN | The gal I have my 4yo with has many horses like this...but she doesn't aim for futurities they are usually older and are BROKE. So soft in the rib cage it's sad my 4yo is more broke than my finished horse! She does such a good job with them, she hold arena records, won big races and they usually clock low 2d/high 3d in first few runs and come on from there. Plus her horses get exposed to a ton. I'm kinda sad I have sell my gelding. LOL. But because hers are so broke it doesn't take them long. Most are off the track she has as well. |
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| I guess it depends on the situation. I could say my gelding is clocking .5 off against rodeo winners and has been hauled 6 months. That would be true, but he is 7, been roped off of a lot and used in the pasture. Not to mention I brought him on slow at home for about 2 years prior to entering rodeos. lol. I do have a tendancy to shy away from a horse I believe to be rushed because I question their ability to stay sound minded long term. Some can handle it though. I have always heard Pozzi pretty much takes them an runs with them. It works out for her lol.
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| Depends on the horse and how much they want to be a barrel horse. My daughters made was maybe exhibitioned 5 times. First 3 times she hit the 2D. After that it was the 1D and we started entering her. Within 2 years she was winning and placing at pro rodeos. She is just a natural, has always liked her job and has always wanted to be a barrel horse. I don't think horses like her are near as common as what people claim. |
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| Not surprising especially if they are running in the same arena(s) every week. It doesn't take many runs on the same pattern and surroundings to improve dramatically. Something to think about when inquiring on a horse for sale, IMO. It can be a whole different world when you are talking about big shows, new arenas, outdoor pens, rodeos, etc.
I started one that was super broke and 8 years old several years ago. Patterned him for two months, hauled him to a winter series in Feb. Jackpot in the same arena every two weeks. He literally moved up a D every time and we were placing in the 1D in 5 runs. It was August before we won a rodeo check though, and the following March before I could say that he consistently won checks at all rodeos unless I screwed something up. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I've had 3. One started winning horseshows 6 weeks after I started him and won 10 in a row before winning his first rodeo--he was a team penning horse before I got him. One was winning and placing in good sized jackpots 6 months after I started him even tho he spent 3 of those months recovering from a stifle injury--he worked cattle for a living before I got him. One I spent a year at home getting him trained because he had no previous job and he ran in the bottom of the 1d the first time we entered and started placing from there. And another that was hitting the 2d 9 months after starting her and literally 90% of her barrel training was done at jackpots a couple of times a month because it rained a lot that year.
They train faster if they're really broke before you start and having a previous career makes it easier too. You start having delusions of grandeur about your training abilities if you start with the right horse. LOL |
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| CallMeSkidmark - 2015-05-14 1:34 PM barrelbasher - 2015-05-14 1:33 PM I have no be right now. He has NEVER been hauled before I bought him end of NOV. By the 4th time I enterd him he was in the 1d. Since then he ha been consistantly 2d against RODEO horses. The girl that owned him and trained him did an amazing job. He is broke broke broke and is just getting used to the sight. I am not pushing him at all and he is having baby mistake but if he just has a smooth run he is going to be in the 2d against some nice horses. He is super smooth and has a long stride and makes it look effortless. I am looking forward to his future. very exciting! I think the broker the horse, the more likely they can handle the speed.
Or if they already learned to handle speed on the track. The fastest horse i ever trained had a great, long career on the track. She won the 3D on her first open run. Clocked in 2D next race... With no pushing... She never looked back. Wish i had 10 more like her. She is not all that broke! Just being honest lol |
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Location: The edge of no where | Three 4 Luck - 2015-05-14 2:27 PM I've had 3. One started winning horseshows 6 weeks after I started him and won 10 in a row before winning his first rodeo--he was a team penning horse before I got him. One was winning and placing in good sized jackpots 6 months after I started him even tho he spent 3 of those months recovering from a stifle injury--he worked cattle for a living before I got him. One I spent a year at home getting him trained because he had no previous job and he ran in the bottom of the 1d the first time we entered and started placing from there. And another that was hitting the 2d 9 months after starting her and literally 90% of her barrel training was done at jackpots a couple of times a month because it rained a lot that year.
They train faster if they're really broke before you start and having a previous career makes it easier too. You start having delusions of grandeur about your training abilities if you start with the right horse. LOL
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| wa.cowgirl - 2015-05-14 2:32 PM
CallMeSkidmark - 2015-05-14 1:34 PM barrelbasher - 2015-05-14 1:33 PM I have no be right now. He has NEVER been hauled before I bought him end of NOV. By the 4th time I enterd him he was in the 1d. Since then he ha been consistantly 2d against RODEO horses. The girl that owned him and trained him did an amazing job. He is broke broke broke and is just getting used to the sight. I am not pushing him at all and he is having baby mistake but if he just has a smooth run he is going to be in the 2d against some nice horses. He is super smooth and has a long stride and makes it look effortless. I am looking forward to his future. very exciting! I think the broker the horse, the more likely they can handle the speed.
Or if they already learned to handle speed on the track. The fastest horse i ever trained had a great, long career on the track. She won the 3D on her first open run. Clocked in 2D next race... With no pushing... She never looked back. Wish i had 10 more like her. She is not all that broke! Just being honest lol
I have one that's ott as well, but I'd rather have one that is broke instead of one that knows how to run. It all comes down to personal preference on type I think. I can't muscle and don't like to muscle a horse around a turn. I like to use my legs and push them through the turn, so the ott horse had a hard time not trying to run out of leg contact. The broker he got, the easier he was to ride.
I've ridden a couple that all they knew were left, right, stop and go... and I ran them just fine. Clocked pretty well too, but I've found that if they get into a bind, I can't help them through it as easily as a horse with more of a handle on it.
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Location: Alberta | I believe it's possible, with the right rider and a horse with natural ability and a good training foundation.
I took my 5 yr old to his first jackpot Monday, with errors and not being pushed for speed he was a little over 2 seconds off....I believe with the natural talent he's showing it will be easy for him to clock 1D by fall...but see how it goes...fingers crossed!
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Location: Phoenix | I think a lot of them are running 1D times at HOME before they are actually hauled/exhibitioned. |
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Location: Kansas | Clifford first saw the pattern mid-November 2013 and he was in the 2D on his 5th run ever (Jan. 2014), outran my rodeo horse on his 13th run (March 2014), clocked 1D at State NBHA (May 2014, 19th run) and won the 1D and a buckle at an added money race the end of May - his 25th run ever. At that point, he was capable of winning 1D & 2D money but he wasn't consistent yet. He got seasoned at rodeos that summer and was clocking well enough to place if I would have stopped pulling barrels over but we didn't start placing at rodeos until June 2014. He is definitely a freak who wants to be amazing.
If I were going to get one to that 1D/2D level in 6 months, I'd need a worked up arena at home to school them regularly. |
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