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| My one horse likes to grab the bit and go he does not collect but i have been wworking on it and he is getting much better. What do you suggest to get him to get soft. |
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Location: North Dakota | An O ring and some training. |
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Location: WI | A bit won't do this. It's training and about the release of pressure. |
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| I have been riding him in an o ring snaffle i just wasnt sure if there was a better option. I dont ask for much just a little and release. Hes 16yr old naturally high headed and previous owners have allowed hm to ride with 0 collection. I am not expecting a western pleasure horse but i do expect him to collect and soften when asked to. |
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Location: North Dakota | There's probably a bit out there that will bully him into doing what you want, but it won't fix the problem. Taking the time now to make him understand the collection and work properly will pay off much more for you and him. |
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Location: North Dakota | Usually, I'm all for a snaffle.
However, depending on the individual horse and situation, a snaffle is not always the BEST answer. You may find that a different but helps get your point across, and then when you go back to the snaffle, he does a better job.
Is there a trainer you can take a few lessons with? That has always helped me when I have a specific problem with a horse. I go take a lesson or two. |
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| Draw bit and draw reins, and he'd probably benefit from bitting up but if you don't have experience with this go to someone who can show you how to bit up properly. |
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Location: North Dakota | MeepMeep - 2015-05-17 10:01 AM Draw bit and draw reins, and he'd probably benefit from bitting up but if you don't have experience with this go to someone who can show you how to bit up properly.
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| cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-05-17 10:19 AM
MeepMeep - 2015-05-17 10:01 AM Draw bit and draw reins, and he'd probably benefit from bitting up but if you don't have experience with this go to someone who can show you how to bit up properly.
Together!?
Yes together, they are very effective used together, and it's very easy on a horse's mouth and good way to soften one up
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Location: North Dakota | MeepMeep - 2015-05-17 10:26 AM cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-05-17 10:19 AM MeepMeep - 2015-05-17 10:01 AM Draw bit and draw reins, and he'd probably benefit from bitting up but if you don't have experience with this go to someone who can show you how to bit up properly. Together!? Yes together, they are very effective used together, and it's very easy on a horse's mouth and good way to soften one up
Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen to me but to each their own I suppose. |
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| cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-05-17 10:43 AM
MeepMeep - 2015-05-17 10:26 AM cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-05-17 10:19 AM MeepMeep - 2015-05-17 10:01 AM Draw bit and draw reins, and he'd probably benefit from bitting up but if you don't have experience with this go to someone who can show you how to bit up properly. Together!? Yes together, they are very effective used together, and it's very easy on a horse's mouth and good way to soften one up
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That explains the WRONG way to use these tools, but there is a right way to use them |
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Sherry has about the most consistent hands in the industry and I don't think her using a tool is causing her any problems |
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Location: ND | r_beau - 2015-05-17 8:58 AM Usually, I'm all for a snaffle. However, depending on the individual horse and situation, a snaffle is not always the BEST answer. You may find that a different but helps get your point across, and then when you go back to the snaffle, he does a better job. Is there a trainer you can take a few lessons with? That has always helped me when I have a specific problem with a horse. I go take a lesson or two.
I agree with this. Without seeing you & your horse ride & exactly what's going on it's hard to say what the best answer is. Depending on the horse I may go to a snaffle & I may go to a stronger bit than they are used to & then back off from there. Every situation is different and you have to learn what will work best for you by experimenting. While the snaffle is the default "answer" for getting one soft it isn't always the route I take.
Currently I'm schooling one of our shooting horses, he was formally my show horse so is very broke, but with all the running was getting really strong on your hand & pushing through you. He shoots in a square ported correction & tie down. I took him back to an o-ring and training forks. In just a couple rides he was super soft & collecting easily again. When i put him back into his regular bridle & did some shooting drills he felt incredible.
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Draw reins and martingales have their place. We are riding barrel horses, so our training isn't going to be exactly the same as another discipline. We can take all kinds of horsemanship and put into our training, you need to have good hands for collection, you need to be able to soften a horse with your hands. Release is magical! Reward is amazing! There is no substitution for good horsemanship, but that doesn't mean we don't utilize other methods and tools for OUR discipline |
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Location: North Dakota | MeepMeep - 2015-05-17 10:44 AM cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-05-17 10:43 AM MeepMeep - 2015-05-17 10:26 AM cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-05-17 10:19 AM MeepMeep - 2015-05-17 10:01 AM Draw bit and draw reins, and he'd probably benefit from bitting up but if you don't have experience with this go to someone who can show you how to bit up properly. Together!? Yes together, they are very effective used together, and it's very easy on a horse's mouth and good way to soften one up Why would it be a disaster?
Well first of all get either of those tools in inexperienced hands and they can be bad. Draw reins can be downright brutal. I'm just picturing the physics of a draw bit. It's designed to lift up in the horse's mouth when pressure is applied
And then I'm picturing the effect of draw reins, which go through the bit and when engaged would have the opposite effect on the bit, holding it down.
I just don't see how they could be beneficial together. And if you don't have GREAT hands and release IMMEDIATELY, I see that combo being very unpleasant for the horse. |
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| cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-05-17 11:12 AM
MeepMeep - 2015-05-17 10:44 AM cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-05-17 10:43 AM MeepMeep - 2015-05-17 10:26 AM cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-05-17 10:19 AM MeepMeep - 2015-05-17 10:01 AM Draw bit and draw reins, and he'd probably benefit from bitting up but if you don't have experience with this go to someone who can show you how to bit up properly. Together!? Yes together, they are very effective used together, and it's very easy on a horse's mouth and good way to soften one up Why would it be a disaster?
And then I'm picturing the effect of draw reins, which go through the bit and when engaged would have the opposite effect on the bit, holding it down. I just don't see how they could be beneficial together. And if you don't have GREAT hands and release IMMEDIATELY, I see that combo being very unpleasant for the horse.
Sometimes things on paper don't work but in practice they do. If you haven't used it or seen it I don't see how you can have such a strong opinion on it. Draw reins and draw bits are not brutal. Quite the opposite, they are very forgiving. The idea of them being cruel is old school. It's not like you are hanging on their face, forcing their head down. You don't have the right information on the use of draw reins and draw bits if you think they are cruel |
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