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Location: Mississippi | I have never posted a video but I know that I could use some constructive criticism. I have been running this horse a little over a year (inconsistently due to my husband's illness) and we are still trying to get things together. We had been having an issue knocking the second and sometimes the third. I am pretty sure it is due to me sitting/cueing him too soon. It's hard for me to think during a run lol. He's so smooth that he doesn't look like he is running but when we have a clean run we clock pretty good. Is there anything that just stands out that I need to work on? How do I train myself to hustle him past the barrels?
https://youtu.be/ZTuIrcbEoTY
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| Looks good, that 1st is killer! |
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Location: Jersey Girl | I agree!! |
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Location: Mississippi | Thanks, lol. I am trying to find a video where we are knocking - in the video I posted we did teeter the third so I thought someone may be able to see what I am doing wrong. |
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Location: Phoenix | I thinks you work on shaping him on the 2nd and 3rd you won't have as many issues. Not a bad run by any means, but he can clearly wrap a barrel and I think if you get his nose just a stride earlier then you'll be a little better off. Easier said from my couch though!!!! |
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| Sure. I think you'd be surprised at the tenths you'd pick up if you arced the first barrel more in that pen, not so much a pocket, but an arc. Then, stay in the turn one step longer before leaving. I thought second looked pretty good, just make sure that you're using your outside foot to really pedal him in there, especially against a wall, and third, if you use more outside rein on the straight into third with your hands up a little higher, it will be easier to use your outside leg to really shove that hip up under him and stay engaged going into the turn. You're anticipating the turn and dropping in, losing the hip, and losing time. Focus on keeping that hip together with your outside foot.
You look like a nice team, just a few tiny adjustments and the clock will go crazy. |
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Location: Somewhere over the rainbow | Well done. Looks like you are in for a good season.
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Location: IL | I think you also need more of an arc coming into first, but every horse is different. I also think you are turning him a little to soon into 2nd and 3rd. That's why you are knocking. A nice run though. |
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| He's one your going to haft to push on up in the hole on the second and third. He's already taking a step in on them before you ask or steady him on those. Dry/slow work with him going straight until you ask him to turn. Pick his head up and learn to feel him move and lift that shoulder with you when you do this. This should be done at a walk. Looks good though, straight smooth lines! |
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Location: Florida.. | Just want to say I like how balanced and quiet you are. |
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Location: Ohio | Looks like a nice smooth run! He reminds alot of my horse. I have finally figured out with him, that most of the time when I knock, it's too much pocket. Especially on my third. For some reason I cannot give him any pocket on the third, he takes what I give him and then makes his own. End result, we have way to much and ending up knocking it. In all of my pics where I have a nice third barrel, I am pulling him into it. Takes some getting used to!
Maybe go back and watch some of your videos where you knock and look at any pics you might have. I also always thought I sit my horse too also but I think now it's more of my pocket issue.
In your video where you rock the third, it looks (kinda hard to tell from the angle) like you have way more pocket than you do on your first and your second.
Really like your horse and you sit him well. Best of luck. |
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| Bibliafarm - 2015-05-19 10:23 AM
Just want to say I like how balanced and quiet you are.
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Location: NE Texas | Nice horse! I think you're giving him a little too much pocket on the second and third, and that is causing him to want to get in there a little too soon. I'm bad about wanting to give a horse too much pocket too and have had to fight this same battle with myself. Maybe pick a spot a little closer in and drive him all the way up into that turn rather than giving him a big pocket and his first step being in toward the barrel....if that makes any sense. Very nice job and very nice horse! |
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Location: North Dakota | I agree with a tiny bit more arch to first and to really drive that hip deep to help get that shoulder cleared so he can come out straighter out of first (never quit riding around that barrel...keep looking forward to your spots and don't look up for 2nd too soon). Also on your slow work work on geting him to grab that left lead coming out of first because what he is doing on 2nd is dropping in the moment he switches lead for 2nd. Push past. Close your pocket up on 3rd. He looks like he wants to come back hard and stay tight so get him in tighter so he can go ahead and make that 1-2 step 3rd barrel that he wants to. Ride his hip. If you concentrate more on riding your horse's hip that will get him deeper in his turns so his shoulders clear so he can get in tight but yet keep 'em up. |
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Location: WYOMING | I agree with Herbie. Close your pockets some. He is staring his turn a stride too soon. You can really see it on the approach to num 2. This is causing you to drop in to the well on the back and exit and loose any space he has to manuever. Tiny adjustments will helps lots. Looks good! |
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Location: Mississippi | Thank you all so much for the tips and the compliments - Ive always been a very quiet rider (maybe a little too quiet at times) - I swear I feel like I'm kicking kicking kicking but when I go back and watch I'm not lol. I will definitely try to implement these suggestions - I never even really considered too much pocket so I will try to pick a spot and focus there. I've always heard about 4 ft from the barrel - is that about right? He's a big horse (16.1) so I had actually wondered if I wasn't giving him enough room. Seriously, thank you all so much - I knew I needed some extra eyes :) |
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Whack and Roll
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Location: NE Texas | You're very welcome! Yes, I think 4' is plenty of room, my goal would be to take him further into the turn, like his ribcage at the barrel before he commits. That should still be plenty of room for a horse his size in my opinion and should make your turn a little snappier. I struggle with this too and have to remind myself the same thing at times. :) |
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| Biggest issue I see is that you are riding too timid on 3rd especially. On the video you posted, you sit back 3 or 4 strides from the barrel and he sucks back when you do that. You are basically at a lope by the time you get to the barrel so he is slow and doesn't snap the turn. I watched some of your other videos where he tips. The lack of forward momentum is why he's getting short on the top and dragging it down. You don't need to necessarily kick and hussle. But you need to stay up until his shoulder is at the barrel. Try just staying forward and gradually add the hussle if you can't remember everything you want to do. He doesn't look like the type that wants to go by. You need to trust him and push him all the way up into the pocket. He looks really solid and wants to make the same run time after time. |
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Location: Kentucky | That's a nice horse. |
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Location: mi | I run a been there done that 20 year old automatic horse. And I learned just this spring that kicking him up into the turn really doesn't work. What has changed our world on 2 and 3 is just as I set for the turn I give him a little smooch. He sets his hiney and drives around that barrel perfectly everytime. If I don't do it we might still make it around but we are way closer to tipping. Might be something to try if he is as super broke as my guy.
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