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Location: East TN | I recently had someone give me a 2 year old Skipper W bred (both sides) filly. She is currently recovering from an injury to her back left pastern, which is the reason she was given to me. The vet has advised me to not even think about starting any training with her until this time next year because of her injury. He does expect her to be 100% sound when healed though. I know quite a bit about QH pedigrees, but Skipper W is the one bloodline that I know very little about. I know Skipper W was a ranch horse and some Skipper W horses are harder to train. Once she's broke, I'd like to make her a barrel horse. I haven't ever heard of any ranch bred horses running barrels. Has anybody ever run barrels on a Skipper W horse? If so, how did you do? How do they compare to race/running bred horses?
Her pedigree is here: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/shems+smooth+brandy
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Location: Kentucky | Since Skipper W died in 1963, I wouldn't call this horse Skipper W bred. I would look more into the sire/dam and grandsire/granddam to find more info. Lots of folks like the cow/run cross. Check out recent futurity results and see what's winning out there now. That really helped me a lot.
Here is some info on Skipper W. Probably won't see this name on papers much longer. http://www.aqha.com/Museum/Explore/Hall-of-Fame/Horses/S/Skipper-W.aspx |
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| I have 3 that trace back to Skipper W. Love them. Are they all 3 1D horses? No. My little mare would be if I was brave enough and young enough again to hang with her. But they have won me money in barrels and roping and also saddles, halters, belt buckles. They trace back to Skipper W on the top and running bred on the bottom, but not anything that anybody would even look at. The stud had AQHA points in 6 events and stood halter champion as a two year old. |
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| My #1 mare is a Skipper W. Line bred top and he's in her pedigree once on the bottom side way back. You gotta be firm with them but fair. They are gritty and will put up with a lot - good and bad.
I agree, since he was a 1963 model and WAY the heck back in that pedigree that he isn't acutally on it in the allbreed ... I'm gonna say stereotypes are not gonna help with this one.
Instead - try to look up Wiescamp bred horses. Hank Wiescamp bred Skipper W and was very well known for breeding and keeping very desireable ranch type mares. There's a couple facebook groups that still follow the breeding and it can be very desireable. He's also part of the AQHA hall of fame (as is Skipper W). http://www.aqha.com/Museum/Explore/Hall-of-Fame/People/W/Henry-J-Wiescamp.aspx
In my experience, they run better than they are bred on paper. I think you can make a nice solid minded 2D anywhere horse out of many of them. Also, you either LOVE them or you don't - there is very little in between on that part. 
ETA - She's cute! I'd keep her and give her a chance!
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| I started on Skipper W filly for a gal. Skipper W actually showed on her papers but it was in the last generation on the top of her bottom side. To far back to really make a difference but I can tell you she was by far one of the easiest horse I ever had the pleasure of starting. She was soft and responsive but totally sensible. She used her head before reacting. She ended up making a pretty nice little barrel mare until she ended up with a mysterious injury that the vets were unable to diagnose. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Biankus sired a dynasty and multiple NFR qualifier barrel horses. He is Skipper W bred.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/biankus
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Location: Southern Oregon | I looked at the pedigree and I wouldn't necessarily call her Skipper W bred. What type of injury to that hind fetlock are you dealing with? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Skipper W is pretty watered down on that pedigree not much left...I bet she will be pretty once she gets some weight on... What kind of injury does she have on her back leg? Looks like it could be a tendon injury.
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Location: ND | She's going to be a pretty little thing once she's grown up.
As far as her pedigree goes I wouldn't consider her Skipper W at all, he's WAY to far off the pedigree to have any influence anymore. Judge her as who she is and what you feel in her ability once you are riding her. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | I'm really going to have to disagree with anyone who says this filly isn't Skipper W bred just because he isn't appearing in the five generation quick look. If you go back and see how many times (and its A LOT) his name appears just a generation or two back past that first five you are going to have some raised brows. MANY Skipper Ws were line bred and this filly is very very line bred. She has a ton of Skipper W all over her pedigree.
I rode a horse with some Skipper W in high school. I liked him. He wasn't for everybody but was super fun to ride, good looking and athletic. Not everyone likes them. There are some good ones, some bad ones. She has as much chance as anything of making a barrel prospect provided she heals completely. |
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Location: Oregon | oija - 2015-05-30 12:39 PM I'm really going to have to disagree with anyone who says this filly isn't Skipper W bred just because he isn't appearing in the five generation quick look. If you go back and see how many times (and its A LOT) his name appears just a generation or two back past that first five you are going to have some raised brows. MANY Skipper Ws were line bred and this filly is very very line bred. She has a ton of Skipper W all over her pedigree. I rode a horse with some Skipper W in high school. I liked him. He wasn't for everybody but was super fun to ride, good looking and athletic. Not everyone likes them. There are some good ones, some bad ones. She has as much chance as anything of making a barrel prospect provided she heals completely. No kidding, if ever a horse were Skipper W bred it's this one. She goes back to Skipper W many many times (I got tired of counting) and to Nick and Nick Shoemaker a bunch of times also (Skipper W's sire and grandsire). And other Weiscamp horses intermixed.
It's amazing anyone would say Skipper W has no influence in this horses pedigree.
I've ridden several Biankus horses (Skipper W bred). Great barrel horses, like Three Corners said, a barrel racing dynasty up here in the Northwest.
Edited by crapshooter 2015-05-30 6:58 PM
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| Skipper W was a halter horse. Wiescamp line bred his horses to get the heavy muscling. There is one mare that was a Wiescamp mare that HYPP has been traced back to. I can't remember the mare's name. Skippa Lark was halter and western pleasure.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | HYPP is from Impressive but because the Skipper Ws were also good halter horses they were frequently crossed with Impressive. |
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| The way your filly is standing she appears to have a suspensory ligament problem which lets her walk on the face of the toe on that foot ... and only time will tell if she will ever be sound on it which is a rare case because it will re-occur with any hard action. I would just label her as broodmare sound and go on to better things.
I agree with her being INBRED TO SKIPPER W not line bred ... Weiscamp was a scammer when it came to actually knowing who the sire was on any of his horses unless you were present at the breeding and took your horse home immediately. He was a cattle auctioneer and the way he sold his horses were the same ... he would sell you a pen of 5 horses for you to get the one you wanted. Crossing with Impressive and 3 bars put small ears and nose with a big jaw on halter horses and it became a fad and made him famous.
SKIPPER W .. came from the famous Shoemaker line of horses that could work cattle all week and then go to a town rodeo and run match races on the weekend. If you look at his bottom side with Hired Girl .. most are Texas brush track racing bloodlines that were tuff horses coming off the big ranches .
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/skipper+w
BIANKUS ... sire SKIPPETY fLIP ... again you see COWBOY notorious Texas sire with a USA government remount TB horses for the cavalry for increased size, stamina and agility. Then look at his dams side and you see the tuff Waggoner ranch horses and another government remount TB added into the pedigree by the brush track Hansen family!! Biankus was a prolific sire and was before Weisecamp started his inbreeding program for years and years.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/biankus
BIANKUS was typically bred to more well known 3bar bred horses and you will find Jet Of Honor in a lot of his get since JOH spent most of his life in the NW area before coming to Oklahoma. Biankus was like other great barrel horse sires ...Sun Frost, Frenchmans Guy, Flit Bar, Firewater Flit, JOH, Three Ohs, Triple Chick, Three Chicks, Oklahoma Star ... they were the most agile and fastest arena horses for their segment of the country and dominated everything in their area for years.
Then Scamper and Bozo showed up by accident and kicked butt on a national level and made everyone aware of bloodlines they had never seen before. And then by 2000 the internet and rodeo magazines were being read and used by barrel racers and along came shipped cooled semen ... the mix of bloodlines exploded to a national level and added more speed to each generation.
It became evident to several of the major stallion owners they were going to have to add a big dose of racing qh bloodlines in order to stay competitive over the next 15 years and into the future on a national level. They dumped their standard ranch horse bred broodmares and loaded their broodmare bands up with Jet Deck, Easy Jet, DFC, Special Effort etc and have continued with FDD and DTF and are embarking into the Corona Cartel, Mr Jess Perry, Beduino, Chicks Beduino, Strawfly Special racing lines for the next 15-20 years to maintain the speed necessary to win todays fast events.
As you view the barrel horses of today you will see several older and new major successful bloodlines in their pedigrees that have specialized barrel horses as a new frontier of setting their conformation, agility, soundness, dispositions, quick hard turns and gathers and the speed on the run home to scare most people to death. .. It is good to see the old bloodlines that were top dogs in the 1970-80-90's era sitting back there to load up the specialized characteristics breeders strive for today with inputs of even faster bloodlines.
Barrel racers are going to have to increase their horsemanship and riding skills with a total no fear attitude in order to compete at the top with these specialized barrel horses running today!!
So, find your niche of speed and go enjoy running your horses even down in the 5D or below ... there is money in that bracket to send you to the pay window and be aware that is what speed Scamper and Bozo were running that made them famous ... horses are bred to have bigger faster engines in them today than in the past ..
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| oija - 2015-05-31 3:38 AM
HYPP is from Impressive but because the Skipper Ws were also good halter horses they were frequently crossed with Impressive.
I am aware that HYPP is usually found in Impressive horses. Since stallions produce many foals each year HYPP is fairly easy to trace to a particular stallion. With mares only producing only one offspring each year and foals may or my not show symptoms of HYPP it is much harder to trace. Not sure but I think the mare's name was Cloudy Review. She was double bred Skipper W. |
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Location: East TN | She cut her left fetlock in a couple of places when she got it hung up in the track of a sliding stall door. The vet said he did xrays during the initial exam. No tendon or ligament damage was present as it didn't cut her deep enough. He said it was about a hair from grazing the tendon sheath. When walking she will set her foot down fairly flat and then limp off of it. She'll bear some weight on it, but not for long. She has a bad habit of biting at her leg and pulling the scab off. The largest wound is now the size of a quarter and infected. I'm almost positive the infection has something to do with the swelling. We have washed her leg really good, put drawing salve on it, and wrapped it. Like I said the vet fully expects her to be 100% sound and ready for training this time next year. |
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| Perhaps you should get a second opinion. If it's infected it could get into the bone. Basing this on my husbands infection in a cut on his foot that went into the bone and cost him his right leg from above the knee. |
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Location: Lost in the corn of Iowa. | I just recently got a mare that is so cow/ranch bred it ain't funny. She traces back to King, Poco Bueno, Skipper W and Hancock breeding with some Breeze Bar way back there too. She is the most honest horse and the most willing to work that I have every had. And she won't run past a barrel. She actually has a very soft personality, not stubborn just wanting to please and smart, oh my gosh I can't get over how smart she is. Get after her once or twice for a bad habit and that's it.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/quick+cash+kid
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Location: When you hit the middle of nowhere .. Keep driving | oija - 2015-05-30 2:39 PM
I'm really going to have to disagree with anyone who says this filly isn't Skipper W bred just because he isn't appearing in the five generation quick look. If you go back and see how many times (and its A LOT) his name appears just a generation or two back past that first five you are going to have some raised brows. MANY Skipper Ws were line bred and this filly is very very line bred. She has a ton of Skipper W all over her pedigree.
I rode a horse with some Skipper W in high school. I liked him. He wasn't for everybody but was super fun to ride, good looking and athletic. Not everyone likes them. There are some good ones, some bad ones. She has as much chance as anything of making a barrel prospect provided she heals completely.
I 100% agree with you... I think I count it 26 times back there.... it may not be on the papers but almost EVERY line in the pedigree goes back to him multiple times. I have one and she's a ham. |
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Location: Texas | I had one mare who traced back to Skipper W 14 times on her dam's side of the pedigree. I absolutely hated her. I do not know if it was because of the skipper W or if she was just a rotten horse. And everyone who's owned her after me has had loads of fun with her.. not. LOL.
I always try and be tactful and polite about horses, especially ones i've owned in the past. she's the only one who I will flat out say- i couldn't stand her, she was awful, and i am glad to never see her again. she would rear with intentions of getting you off her back. |
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