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Location: Cocoa, Florida | What do all the big name winning horses have in common? I'd like to get at least the top 10, confirmation pictures and breeding and study them, what makes them so special since they're all so obviously different? Louie is huge and wide, Bling is smaller and slender, Stingray is short, BabyFlo and Movin seem like smaller horses while Worm seems huge like Louie. So what makes them all so Great since they're all so different? Obviously they all have a huge heart!
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I just read the headlines
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| I went to a barrel clinic that Lynn Mckenzie put on a few years ago. She had a woman there who had traveled the world taking conformation shots of world champions in a wide variety of performance events, from dressage, racing, H/J, cutting, reining and barrel racing. What she had to say was not what a lot of us wanted to hear, but I think she was right. She has a website you can order her ebook. My own opinion is she is dead on, but too many people get their feelings hurt when she tells it like she sees it. I know mine were a little but when I stepped back and looked and thought with my brain instead of my heart, she was right. Her name is Judy Wardrope and her site is www.jwequin.com. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | One thing they all have is smart ppl managing them and a good vet and solid support team backing them.......and those horse have a lot of try and want to..they have to too make that many solid runs.....thats my 2 cents.....lol.....m |
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| mruggles - 2015-06-02 8:18 AM One thing they all have is smart ppl managing them and a good vet and solid support team backing them.......and those horse have a lot of try and want to..they have to too make that many solid runs.....thats my 2 cents.....lol.....m
Agreed. It's the people and the programs they run that make the difference. |
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| Heart....bottom line
and an owner with enough money to gamble traveling up and down the road if the horse can't pay the bills
other things...they will run through aches, pains, bad ground, and will make their run with just a lil help from their rider |
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| I agree the horse has to be put in the right hands and has to have the right mind, but ya'll don't think conformation doesn't play into it? This lady has some really different ideas on conformation, not so much straightness of the legs but angles and lines were what she was emphasizing. She talks about how different disciplines require different angles and lines and musculature. It was very different than what I learned for horse judging in 4H which was what Texas A & M was teaching us. I haven't read anything like her in other conformation books either. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I agree on the big heart and lots of want to, the right owner that knows how this horse thinks, they have to be that perfect team to compliment one another. |
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| GLP - 2015-06-02 9:22 AM
I agree the horse has to be put in the right hands and has to have the right mind, but ya'll don't think conformation doesn't play into it? This lady has some really different ideas on conformation, not so much straightness of the legs but angles and lines were what she was emphasizing. She talks about how different disciplines require different angles and lines and musculature. It was very different than what I learned for horse judging in 4H which was what Texas A & M was teaching us. I haven't read anything like her in other conformation books either.
Conformation has some to do with it,
But over the years there have been horses who are not conformationally correct that still win.
Conformation flaws can mean the horse is more prone to injury, and arthritis.
As someone said these people have a bank roll and a great vet to keep these horses sound, or some of these horses get retired early due to injury.
Proper management also helps these people understand these horses only have so many runs to give, they are not wasting them at small jackpots, etc. |
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Location: North Dakota | I don't think there is any set formula to finding a champion, but I do think there are some consistent factors.
1. Heart. If they don't have the will to win they won't.
2. Conformation. While their conformations vary greatly, they have to be built to stay sound. If they really want it they can sometimes overcome a less-than-idea build but sometimes it gets the better of them and they can't hold up to the physical stress.
3. A good training/care/vet team behind them.
4. Mental toughness. These horses have to be able to hold up to going down the road and heavy competition without getting burned out or turning into nervous wrecks.
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Location: North Dakota | GLP - 2015-06-02 9:22 AM
I agree the horse has to be put in the right hands and has to have the right mind, but ya'll don't think conformation doesn't play into it? This lady has some really different ideas on conformation, not so much straightness of the legs but angles and lines were what she was emphasizing. She talks about how different disciplines require different angles and lines and musculature. It was very different than what I learned for horse judging in 4H which was what Texas A & M was teaching us. I haven't read anything like her in other conformation books either.
That is absolutely correct. While conformation is not the end all, be all, it is important. And there is a different "ideal" conformation for every discipline. What is desired in a Grand Prix dressage horse is nothing like a NFR Caliber barrel horse, or an Endurance champion. I wasn't in 4h but what if learned from watching friends and family in 4h is everyone rides stock horses and arabs and thats all the leaders tend to know about as well. Just google Valegro, who is arguably the best dressage horse of our time, and stingray and compare. Very VERY different yet masters at their sports. |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | I posted a thread on here with 3 pictures of the 3 horses I'm currently running I'm going to post them again and just from confirmation am curious to see which one you think is the fastest. Don't answer if you know me lol.
Why is Bling so fast? I think she carries herself to high (I look at the way a horse moves first). She kind of brings her knees high and doesn't stride out but she's so amazingly fast she can over run barrels and still win the race. So what makes her such an extraordinary horse ? |
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Location: In my own world | They all have excellent jockeys. The end |
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| RnRJack - 2015-06-02 10:56 AM
I posted a thread on here with 3 pictures of the 3 horses I'm currently running I'm going to post them again and just from confirmation am curious to see which one you think is the fastest. Don't answer if you know me lol.
Why is Bling so fast? I think she carries herself to high (I look at the way a horse moves first). She kind of brings her knees high and doesn't stride out but she's so amazingly fast she can over run barrels and still win the race. So what makes her such an extraordinary horse ?
you can go to her website and she has instructions on how to take conformation shots to send to her and she will evaluate your horses. I don't know how much it was though. She has analyzed numerous winning pro rodeo barrel horses to find out what they had in common, not what their differences were. |
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Location: When you hit the middle of nowhere .. Keep driving | livinonlove&horses - 2015-06-02 11:21 AM
They all have excellent jockeys. The end
And they are all WAY out of my price range... but I don't fall in the excellent jockey category either. |
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| Champions all have the same thing in common, Gods plan for them. Both the horse and riders have that will and want to succeed. If you notice when those horses are coming down the ally their not shying away they are ready to go and work. Everywhere they go they are willing to work. The riders only have so little control of these great horses, but the rider effects the way the horse runs by their emotions so both horse and rider contribute to their victories.... |
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | GLP - 2015-06-02 7:13 AM I went to a barrel clinic that Lynn Mckenzie put on a few years ago. She had a woman there who had traveled the world taking conformation shots of world champions in a wide variety of performance events, from dressage, racing, H/J, cutting, reining and barrel racing. What she had to say was not what a lot of us wanted to hear, but I think she was right. She has a website you can order her ebook. My own opinion is she is dead on, but too many people get their feelings hurt when she tells it like she sees it. I know mine were a little but when I stepped back and looked and thought with my brain instead of my heart, she was right. Her name is Judy Wardrope and her site is www.jwequin.com.
I missed that clinic! I wish they would do another one! |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | Okay so hEres mine, Which one would you pick out to be the fastest and most athletic just by confirmation, roan, red or brown?
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Location: Florida.. | Personally I do not think you can pick who is fastest in any ones horse or better by just looking at conformation but thats my opinion  |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | GLP, the link is jwequine.com I couldn't get your other one to work. Interesting lady. |
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| oija - 2015-06-02 1:35 PM
GLP, the link is jwequine.com I couldn't get your other one to work. Interesting lady.
Their used to be a man that came around in the TB industry that had a machine he'd like measure your horse with. Maybe some on here can remember his name? He gained popularity with the QH trainers as well. There is some truth to it but bottom line is even with imperfections one that wants to will get the job done regardless of confirmation and he'd tell you that. |
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