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| I picked up a bag of Ricebran nuggets today from a feed store I don't normally use. I cannot see anywhere on the tag that it says it's stabilized. It does say " perishable" and to store off the ground away from insects and rodents. It was manufactured April 28. Is there any way to tell if it's stabilized from looking at the tag! Thanks! | |
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| The label should say. There is a BIG in difference in price--- stabilized is quite expensive. If it says perishable it probably is not. That is the point of stabilizing it, so it will last and not get rancid. I do not feed it any more but when I used to buy bran, regular bran was about $10 a sack and stabilized bran was about $30.
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| Yep. This stuff was 28.00 for the bag. So I guess I need to call them tomorrow and make sure it was stabilized. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | streakysox - 2015-06-02 10:07 PM The label should say. There is a BIG in difference in price--- stabilized is quite expensive. If it says perishable it probably is not. That is the point of stabilizing it, so it will last and not get rancid. I do not feed it any more but when I used to buy bran, regular bran was about $10 a sack and stabilized bran was about $30.
Yes, it should say on the bag or label. Not necessarily on the money. The very expensive rice bran has been blended with calcium to balance the Ca:P, some of it has been pelleted, and may also have higher fat levels due to type of rice it's made from (learned that last part from winwillows). I was able to buy a pallet directly from the mill for $5/50 pound bag, *stabilized* rice bran, that the feed stores were charging $12-20 for the exact same bag. I had no freight charges tho, since the mill is local to me. Mine is 12% fat from mid-south medium and long grain rice. | |
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| Just called. Bummer, its NOT stabilized!!!! Its 30 days old now. How long will it last? 28 bucks and I have to pitch it to the birds. I just don't trust it. | |
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Location: Willows, CA | Years ago I wrote the definition of "Stabilized Rice Bran" for AAFCO. I wish I had been a little more expansive when I did that. As I wrote it, it states that rice bran is considered stabilized when the Free Fatty Acid levels are below 4%. Raw rice bran exceeds that number within eight hours of being removed from the rice kernel in the rice mill, and is always rancid before it can get to a customer. If the rice bran is run through an extruder in the mill the shelf life before it goes rancid can be extended to between 30 and 45 days. There is quite a bit of rice bran treated this way. If you have access directly to one of these mills, and can use what you get from them in that time frame, you have a better chance that the rice bran that you are feeding is not rancid. There will be some differences between that and truly stabilized food grade rice bran because the extrusion process "cooks" the raw rice bran. This effects some of the nutrients that are present. Anti-oxidant vitamins are particularly sensitive to this process. True, long term, stabilization requires proprietary equipment that is in the rice mill itself, and is different than the extruder mentioned above. This equipment stabilizes the rice bran directly off of the mill line without effecting the heat sensitive nutrients. Today, there are three rice mills in the US that have and run this equipment on site. Two are in California, they are located in West Sacramento and Arbuckle. The third is in Mermentau LA. All other rice mills that are producing processed rice bran that gives an extended life rice bran would fall into the extrusion category mentioned above. The bottom line in this is that there are basically three levels of rice bran. Raw (rancid), extended life (not rancid for 30 to 45 days but of lower nutrient availability) and Stabilized (food grade, one year shelf life, full nutrient availability). All are priced differently. I only use Stabilized Rice Bran from the two California mills for the products I make. I have always felt that this is the best value, even though it is the most expensive. Hope this info helps. | |
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-06-03 10:54 AM
Just called. Bummer, its NOT stabilized!!!! Its 30 days old now. How long will it last? 28 bucks and I have to pitch it to the birds. I just don't trust it.
My guess is the person who told you this may have told you wrong? Most pelleted RB is in fact stabilized. What brand was it? | |
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Location: Willows, CA | Zebra racer - 2015-06-03 12:05 PM
FLITASTIC - 2015-06-03 10:54 AM
Just called. Bummer, its NOT stabilized!!!! Its 30 days old now. How long will it last? 28 bucks and I have to pitch it to the birds. I just don't trust it.
My guess is the person who told you this may have told you wrong? Most pelleted RB is in fact stabilized. What brand was it?
NOT TRUE. Please see my post above. Most pelleted rice bran falls into the raw bran category since nothing in the pelleting process helps stabilize the rice bran. You can pellet stabilized rice bran, but pelleting raw rice bran does not stabilize. Extruding rice bran in the mill is different from running it through a pellet mill.
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | So, as a basic consumer, can we tell, if it is rancid can we smell it?, Taste it?
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Location: Willows, CA | 3canstorun - 2015-06-03 1:02 PM
So, as a basic consumer, can we tell, if it is rancid can we smell it?, Taste it?
It really is too bad that this issue is so confusing. Raw rice bran is rancid when you get it , period. Pelleted raw rice bran is just as rancid, period. If it is bad enough you will be able to smell it. You can even smell it on your hands. Rice bran that was extruded at the rice mill can have an extended shelf life, and while not something I use, has considerably better nutritional value than raw rice bran. These extruded nuggets will look different than a regular conventional pellet. They have kind of a puffed look rather than a pellet like you see in grain based feeds. As I said above, the pelleting process does nothing to stabilize rice bran. Those who go to the trouble to source stabilized rice bran do not hide that fact, and say that it is "stabilized" on the bag. There are a few people who use rice bran that was extruded at the mill that are calling it stabilized. Since the FFA levels of that product may well be under 4% for a while it could be considered stabilized for that time period. This is the 30 to 45 day type product that I referred to. At the end, you need to be able to trust the reputation of your source. That seems to be harder to do all the time. | |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | winwillows - 2015-06-03 2:40 PM 3canstorun - 2015-06-03 1:02 PM So, as a basic consumer, can we tell, if it is rancid can we smell it?, Taste it?
It really is too bad that this issue is so confusing. Raw rice bran is rancid when you get it , period. Pelleted raw rice bran is just as rancid, period. If it is bad enough you will be able to smell it. You can even smell it on your hands. Rice bran that was extruded at the rice mill can have an extended shelf life, and while not something I use, has considerably better nutritional value than raw rice bran. These extruded nuggets will look different than a regular conventional pellet. They have kind of a puffed look rather than a pellet like you see in grain based feeds. As I said above, the pelleting process does nothing to stabilize rice bran. Those who go to the trouble to source stabilized rice bran do not hide that fact, and say that it is "stabilized" on the bag. There are a few people who use rice bran that was extruded at the mill that are calling it stabilized. Since the FFA levels of that product may well be under 4% for a while it could be considered stabilized for that time period. This is the 30 to 45 day type product that I referred to. At the end, you need to be able to trust the reputation of your source. That seems to be harder to do all the time.
So, even though it may not smell, be dis-colored, etc., any meal type that we as consumers feed our horses has the potential to cause colic, samonelia(sp) type poisoning, etc to our animals?
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Location: Willows, CA | 3canstorun - 2015-06-03 1:52 PM
winwillows - 2015-06-03 2:40 PM 3canstorun - 2015-06-03 1:02 PM So, as a basic consumer, can we tell, if it is rancid can we smell it?, Taste it?
It really is too bad that this issue is so confusing. Raw rice bran is rancid when you get it , period. Pelleted raw rice bran is just as rancid, period. If it is bad enough you will be able to smell it. You can even smell it on your hands. Rice bran that was extruded at the rice mill can have an extended shelf life, and while not something I use, has considerably better nutritional value than raw rice bran. These extruded nuggets will look different than a regular conventional pellet. They have kind of a puffed look rather than a pellet like you see in grain based feeds. As I said above, the pelleting process does nothing to stabilize rice bran. Those who go to the trouble to source stabilized rice bran do not hide that fact, and say that it is "stabilized" on the bag. There are a few people who use rice bran that was extruded at the mill that are calling it stabilized. Since the FFA levels of that product may well be under 4% for a while it could be considered stabilized for that time period. This is the 30 to 45 day type product that I referred to. At the end, you need to be able to trust the reputation of your source. That seems to be harder to do all the time.
Not quite what I said. Food grade Stabilized Rice Bran comes out of the stabilization equipment in a meal form. The stabilization process does not make it a pellet or nugget. If you buy a product like MaxE Glo (not my product) for example, the meal form and pelleted form are the same stabilized rice bran. You just pay extra for the additional processing that makes it into a pellet. I have stated before that while I will not feed rancid fat to my horses, I do not fear the rancidity issue as much as the fact that raw rice bran is basically treated as a waste product and stored as such at most rice mills. The potential for contamination is multiples of that found in food grade stabilized rice bran. It is for this reason that I would personally not feed raw rice bran to other peoples horses. I know people who have fed it for a long time with no issues and are happy with it. That is their choice. I put a product on the shelf and I am responsible for the safety and value of that product. Literally no one in the world could sell raw rice bran cheaper than I could to the horse owning public. Clearly, if buying raw rice bran at cattle feed or waste product pricing, there is money to be made in the horse market as long a people don't completely understand the difference. In the thirty years that I have used rice bran in equine feed products I have never bought, sold or used a single pound of raw rice bran. | |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | I understand what you are saying and appreciate your replies. Soon the feed stores will have bags of "rice bran" in them because of deer hunters. It has always seemed tempting to buy the rice bran in the bags to feed. It always looks good and smells fine.
I have to drive 67 miles one way for Renew Gold to get it at Jeffers for $35, which I have been doing since the ADM mess I went through. I know that my local feed store can get the Max E Glo for me in either the meal for $28 or the pellet for $32. So, I guess when I run out of Renew Gold, I might do that, as time allows.
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| I dumped my 28 dollar bag of un stabilized Ricebran pellets for a 23 dollar bag of stabilized nuggets that are fully fortified with vitamins and minerals , balanced calcium and phosphorous, pre and probiotics , and best of all a ONE YEAR expiration date. | |
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