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| I love Wall Street math ... none of them could figure out by the race win times that AMERICAN PHAROAH would come in 16 lengths behind SECRETARIAT ...
AMERICAN PHAROAH ran the 6th fastest time for the BELMONT ..
WS did a nice video comparison and we thank them for the effort!!
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  Keeper of the King Snake
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Location: Dubach, LA | Cool. Now if someone could overlay the two horses. AP is great and Secretariat is legend.
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Location: Kentucky | I'm not sure the obsession is with comparing the two. They both ran a hell of a race and deserve their own individual credit. |
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| Murphy - 2015-06-09 11:27 AM
I'm not sure the obsession is with comparing the two. They both ran a hell of a race and deserve their own individual credit.
Every great horse that ever graces the track will be compared to Secretariat. I do not understand the reasoning behind it either.
ETA: It is fun to compare stride length and angel and the two races together however!
Edited by cyount2009 2015-06-09 11:46 AM
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Meanest Teacher!!!
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Location: sunny california | I would like to see an overlay! also of the whole field. it does look like to me that AP contended with a stronger field overall. I also wonder if that race was secretariats best because he had to wonder why the jockey was still riding him as the race was clearly over a long time ago LOL |
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Meanest Teacher!!!
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Location: sunny california | I think if AP raced secretariat they might have each been a little faster. or on second though AP might have quit after having his doors blown off. that reasoning might also explain why secretaiats field was so far back at some point the horses just give up. |
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 Proud to be Deplorable
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| kwanatha - 2015-06-09 12:13 PM
I would like to see an overlay! also of the whole field. it does look like to me that AP contended with a stronger field overall. I also wonder if that race was secretariats best because he had to wonder why the jockey was still riding him as the race was clearly over a long time ago LOL
I remember that the jockey stated at the time he just let him go on the back side and that big red just did it on his own.
Edited by jbhoot 2015-06-09 12:36 PM
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 That's White "Man" to You
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| I think it is neat to compare. Now I want to weigh AP's heart. |
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Meanest Teacher!!!
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Location: sunny california | Whiteboy - 2015-06-09 10:28 AM I think it is neat to compare. Now I want to weigh AP's heart.
ya mee too. if his heart is more like a normal horse heart then you almost have to side with him. It is like he ran with a disability LOL |
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Proud to be Deplorable
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| kwanatha - 2015-06-09 12:16 PM
I think if AP raced secretariat they might have each been a little faster. or on second though AP might have quit after having his doors blown off. that reasoning might also explain why secretaiats field was so far back at some point the horses just give up.
They didn't give up they where running hard for second place. Any way you look at it AP was 2 seconds slower than Secretariat who still holds the world record on dirt at the mile and a half. |
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Meanest Teacher!!!
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Location: sunny california | jbhoot - 2015-06-09 10:30 AM kwanatha - 2015-06-09 12:16 PM I think if AP raced secretariat they might have each been a little faster. or on second though AP might have quit after having his doors blown off. that reasoning might also explain why secretaiats field was so far back at some point the horses just give up. They didn't give up they where running hard for second place. Any way you look at it AP was 2 seconds slower than Secretariat who still holds the world record on dirt at the mile and a half.
the jockeys were running for second, not the horses. I feel bad for them. imagine showing up and tossing your head around like you are the cats meow and getting beat so badly. they prolly had a pretty bad case of horsey depression after that race |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | kwanatha - 2015-06-10 10:13 AM
I would like to see an overlay! also of the whole field. it does look like to me that AP contended with a stronger field overall. I also wonder if that race was secretariats best because he had to wonder why the jockey was still riding him as the race was clearly over a long time ago LOL
Maybe more horses but I can't say stronger field...I believe Sham's time in the Kentucky Derby is still the second fastest ever run, only other horse to run it under 2 minutes. Secretariat just took the heart right out of him, game little horse that was asked to chase down a legend, he gave his guts.
I think it is safe to say it would be a great race either way. Secretariat ran that day for the shear fun of running, imagine what he would have done maybe with a horse to push him the entire way... |
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Meanest Teacher!!!
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Location: sunny california | run n rate - 2015-06-09 10:50 AM kwanatha - 2015-06-10 10:13 AM I would like to see an overlay! also of the whole field. it does look like to me that AP contended with a stronger field overall. I also wonder if that race was secretariats best because he had to wonder why the jockey was still riding him as the race was clearly over a long time ago LOL Maybe more horses but I can't say stronger field...I believe Sham's time in the Kentucky Derby is still the second fastest ever run, only other horse to run it under 2 minutes. Secretariat just took the heart right out of him, game little horse that was asked to chase down a legend, he gave his guts. I think it is safe to say it would be a great race either way. Secretariat ran that day for the shear fun of running, imagine what he would have done maybe with a horse to push him the entire way...
I only say stronger feild because if ap was 16 lengths behind then his field was 20 lengths behind secretariat. in secretariates race his field was 30 lengths behind. |
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Red Bull Agressive
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Location: North Dakota | Every single horse that has won those 3 races is great. Secretariat was a freak. He was a big fast horse with literally a huge heart. Because of that it's not completely fair to be comparing "normal" horses to him. I'm not interested in comparing them because they're all special, amazing horses in their own way. AP is "my" triple crown horse though, because I've been waiting my entire life to see a triple crown winner and he did it. |
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 Husband Spoiler
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Location: North Dakota | American Pharoah had the second fastest time in the Belmont out of all Triple Crown winners. He led wire to wire and won by 5 1/2 lengths. He also defeated the biggest field in Triple Crown history and was the only horse in 2015 to run in all legs of the Triple Crown (only one horse ran in the Preakness) so in other words he ran in a field full of fesh legs. I don't think anyone will ever compare to Secretariat but American Pharoah is a legend in his own right. Now I am rooting for him to take home the Breeder's Cup as well. :) |
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 Hawty & Nawty
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| I'm going to argue that the comparassion isn't fair. Anything can happen at anytime given certain conditions. I think Pharoah had more to give... he certainly appeared to have more RPMs in that motor but didn't need to use it. |
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Proud to be Deplorable
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| Thru out the history of horse racing there have always been comparisons made between current and previous champions. And there always will be. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Murphy - 2015-06-09 10:27 AM I'm not sure the obsession is with comparing the two. They both ran a hell of a race and deserve their own individual credit.
I have to agree with this. Love them both, they were/are both great horses. Hopefully AP will become a super sire. |
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| You have to respect the other jockeys and owners for not putting a couple of rabbits in to try to tire AMERICAN PHAROAH out early in the race or run up on his heels and herd him into a faster pace on the backside like they have done other contenders that were not from the blue blood state of Kentucky. If anyone was going to win the triple crown ... it was going to be one of their own blue bloods ..
SECRETARIAT won the triple crown in 1973 while running 12 races that year ... 6 including the triple crown races and then 6 others afterwards coming in 2nd in two of these. His LTE's are ... 21 16-3-1 $1,616,808 and per race avg is $62,705
AMERICAN PHAROAH won the triple crown in 2015 while running 5 races so far in 2015..... they will run him in the Breeders Cup for sure since it has a 5 million dollar purse ...
LTE"S are 8 7-0-0 $4,530,300 and per race avg is $566,288 .... |
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