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| My friend asked me if I thought it was possible to truly find a 1D horse proven with no issues and sound for a budget of 60k. Don't really have an answer for her. So many dishonest horse traders and don't know where she should start to look. Any comments or suggestions? It seems if I had a good rodeo horse or open horse I would not sell for 60k. |
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|  No way! Youd have to at least double that price. No issues and sound? I think a unicorn would be easier to find.  |
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| For sure! Every horse is gonna have a quirk or two but that doesn't mean you can't truly find one. Now, are you gonna find one that's gonna go win D&D for under 60k? No way, but we live in a world where everyone keeps overpricing their horses without realizing that the same caliber horses can be found for a lot less. I actually have a friend that bought two true 1D barrel and pole mares, first one runs 20 sec poles and never tips a barrel and she was 15K and the other was 25K (way over priced in my opinion) but she is a true 1D mare that is actually NFR quality. The one mare does run on lasix but I think that's a minor price to pay when she wins everything. |
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This was my thought as well. I guess IMHO most barrel horses of that caliber are going to require some kind of maintenance and/or have quirks to put up with. Or be priced higher |
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I"m Jealous!
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Location: Benton City, WA | cheeka77 - 2015-06-20 10:43 PM For sure! Every horse is gonna have a quirk or two but that doesn't mean you can't truly find one. Now, are you gonna find one that's gonna go win D&D for under 60k? No way, but we live in a world where everyone keeps overpricing their horses without realizing that the same caliber horses can be found for a lot less. I actually have a friend that bought two true 1D barrel and pole mares, first one runs 20 sec poles and never tips a barrel and she was 15K and the other was 25K (way over priced in my opinion) but she is a true 1D mare that is actually NFR quality. The one mare does run on lasix but I think that's a minor price to pay when she wins everything.
I am confused. You think that NFR caliber horses that run on lasix are way overpriced at 25K? |
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| Proven- I doubt it. I know of a horse that was a High School Rodeo National qualifier, was sold for 40K to a college girl who rodeos. He was not proven outside of high school rodeo but has gone on to win big pro rodeos, was on his way to the American and was one of the horses that fell in the semi's at Ft. Worth. I imagine his price tag has more than doubled. He does require maintenance, like all horses that are hauled and used. The definition of sound to me is a horse that with routine maintenace, hocks, chiro, etc. can continue to perform to his potential. I work out very hard, I get sore, I do things to help me feel better- I do the same for my horses.
I think the term overpriced is subjective anyway- no horse is overpriced to a person who has the money and wants the horse. We have a gelding that we paid 25K for, well built and talented, usually was in the 1D with my daughter, a not so experienced rider. Everytime we traveled to Waco for a big show, my daughter would receive multiple offers to buy him. The highest offer we turned down was 75K - was he a 75K horse, IDK- not NFR pro quality, but these folks had money and they put a price out there they thought we would not turn down.
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"aint no Barbie"
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Location: san antonio texas | I have one he's 9. I've won races 300-400 entries on him. I still compete on him now. I outran the Mcleods on Skye in Denton Tx run I a 15.3 in that pen winning that race with almost 300 entries... Won a race at Hamilton Texas last month on him. I don't need him. Everything I own I will sell but as soon as I have one for sale people automatically think it's not good enough.... Well he's good enough to WIN in N Tx... Not only place but WIN.... So I think it's buyers who have unrealistic expectations and think they should be robots. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | carlos - 2015-06-21 9:57 AM I have one he's 9. I've won races 300-400 entries on him. I still compete on him now. I outran the Mcleods on Skye in Denton Tx run I a 15.3 in that pen winning that race with almost 300 entries... Won a race at Hamilton Texas last month on him. I don't need him. Everything I own I will sell but as soon as I have one for sale people automatically think it's not good enough.... Well he's good enough to WIN in N Tx... Not only place but WIN.... So I think it's buyers who have unrealistic expectations and think they should be robots.
Andrea, very few can ride like you! If they had your talent they would be buying up every colt you start. But we all know that they need seasoning and many can't or won't tolerate the seasoning process. The people for the most part I believe...know their not good enough to keep those young ones going like you can.
OP, go to the big races or rodeo's open your bank letter stating how much you can spend and then approach a rider with the horse of your liking. I have a friend that has bought many horses this way. They go straight to trailer and to a facilty with a Scint and MRI and a vet that can do an extensive PPE. If the horse passes you get a horse. If he doesn't you still must pay for the PPE and the travel expenses to the facility for the PPE. |
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| call nicle monroe she has 2 right now that are good hootest chickintown and a really pretty grey mare they clock
but you got to be able to ride and keep 1 up i know if i could ride i would call on the grey chick is not my fit but she has the the the wins
call or friend her on facebook
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| carlos - 2015-06-21 9:57 AM I have one he's 9. I've won races 300-400 entries on him. I still compete on him now. I outran the Mcleods on Skye in Denton Tx run I a 15.3 in that pen winning that race with almost 300 entries... Won a race at Hamilton Texas last month on him. I don't need him. Everything I own I will sell but as soon as I have one for sale people automatically think it's not good enough.... Well he's good enough to WIN in N Tx... Not only place but WIN.... So I think it's buyers who have unrealistic expectations and think they should be robots.
If I ws a 1D rider I would buy one of yours in a heartbeat. |
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| What people tend to forget is a 1D horse needs a 1D rider in order to continue to land in the 1D when it is sold. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Yes and No...depends on what you are looking for. I've got two that are true 1D horses at large races (600-1000 head) and have rodeo wins. They are in the $60k range. Have they been to the NFR or won The American? No. They are nice, solid 1D horses that are easy for 90% of the world to ride. Middle aged, quiet and fun to run! Can you buy a Louie or Baby Flo for $60k...Ha ha ha!! Not a chance. The upper end rodeo and top 5 at the major races (BBR, Josey's, Mega, the NFR horses) are $200k++ easily! |
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They're worth whatever someone is willing to pay for them.
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Location: Texas | I think for 60k you can find a dang nice horse.
We have three very nice mares. Paid $25,000 for one of them, and the other two we got for pretty dang cheap. The one we paid a lot for was winning at the time, sound but had a history of a prior injury that has never affected her one bit. The one I found on craigslist was just straight forward- the horse had been in the 1D before but hadn't been run in two years and had no record I could find. And the third one was being legged up after a year off, had a good record but also had an old injury thats not bothering her. Hadn't clocked like she used to but we did some things and she was back in it in no time.
IMO, long story short.. Every one of those mares is sound but requires some form of maintenance. They are also 12-16 years old so I expect that. We were talking about this last night on the way home from a jackpot. It wasn't a huge one, 125 runners, but my sister's mare won the 1D by 3 tenths and my two mares were the only other two in the open 1D. Someone offered to buy her mare at the race and she turned it down but we got to talking about "what ifs". I wouldn't let any one of those mares go for cheap, regardless that they require joint maintenance and have a history of an injury here or there. I wouldn't let any of them go at all honestly. It's so hard to find horses that fit. |
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"aint no Barbie"
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Location: san antonio texas | uno-dos-tres! - 2015-06-21 10:37 AM
carlos - 2015-06-21 9:57 AM I have one he's 9. I've won races 300-400 entries on him. I still compete on him now. I outran the Mcleods on Skye in Denton Tx run I a 15.3 in that pen winning that race with almost 300 entries... Won a race at Hamilton Texas last month on him. I don't need him. Everything I own I will sell but as soon as I have one for sale people automatically think it's not good enough.... Well he's good enough to WIN in N Tx... Not only place but WIN.... So I think it's buyers who have unrealistic expectations and think they should be robots.
Andrea, very few can ride like you! If they had your talent they would be buying up every colt you start. But we all know that they need seasoning and many can't or won't tolerate the seasoning process. The people for the most part I believe...know their not good enough to keep those young ones going like you can.
OP, go to the big races or rodeo's open your bank letter stating how much you can spend and then approach a rider with the horse of your liking. I have a friend that has bought many horses this way. They go straight to trailer and to a facilty with a Scint and MRI and a vet that can do an extensive PPE. If the horse passes you get a horse. If he doesn't you still must pay for the PPE and the travel expenses to the facility for the PPE.
He's not young... He's not old he's 9.... he's actually the least work of any horse I have... I ride him 3x a week no barrels and enjoy him on the weekend. And as for the people who won't tolerate seasoning one.... well that right there would be why the seasoned winners are alot of money. It is definetely possible to buy one for very decent and do the work and put the time and effort into a horse and finish it out to be a top horse... And people have the ability to ride if they really want to.... I am a better rider now than I was 10 years ago because I ALWAYS learn from others. I don't think I am better than anyone and I work at it until I figure it out. So again it comes down to buyers wanting a robot. All a person has to do is spend the time and ride with people that are winners and can teach and actually put in the effort..... Not putting in the time will equal not being at ones personal best. I also know of people who simply cannot ride and they still put the time and effort into one... they just find jockeys to jockey the horse... it can be done it's just a matter of what any one talks him/her self out of.
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| Yes it is possible.
But I think one point that no one has brought up yet is that... you need to be industry and legitimately know the people and horse you are buying.
I see so many horses sold in the high 5 figure range that clocked 1D one time with 10 runners entered. |
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Location: Texas | Texas Tornado - 2015-06-20 11:31 PM
My friend asked me if I thought it was possible to truly find a 1D horse proven with no issues and sound for a budget of 60k. Don't really have an answer for her. So many dishonest horse traders and don't know where she should start to look. Any comments or suggestions? It seems if I had a good rodeo horse or open horse I would not sell for 60k.
You know, $60,000.00 is A LOT of money. And $60k for a horse is REALLY a lot of money! I've never spent that on a horse but I can tell you for a fact that you can buy a nice 1d maintenance free horse for that amount of money. They are out there, you just have to SEEK them out, and when you find them, don't mess around... buy them. If you procrastinate someone else will get them... Just be sure that you can keep them at that level, or have someone available that can help you keep them there. That is the true test with these horses. |
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Location: United States | Agree Agree Agree Agree Agree! You have to know how to keep them feeling fantastic too.
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Location: Southern Oregon | Honestly if I was shopping for a true 1D horse with NO Issues and had a budget to work with. I would be going to EVERY big race their was watching all of the 1D horses carefully....pretty much stocking them. Watching them tied to the trailer, in the warm up pen, waiting to run and after their run. I would watch several of them and then make a list of my top picks and approach the owners with CASH in the amount I think that horse it worth. I honestly think that is the best way to get what you want. You never know what someone will sell for until you have cash in your hand and are talking with them. |
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Location: oklahoma | You can find a nice 1D horse in the $60K price range but good luck fidning one that doesnt need an ounce of maintenence. They are the top performers in the industry and most 1D horses try with more grit than you can imagine. That kind of try will require some type of maintenance. Could be injections, chiro work, adequan, legend etc. Realistic expectations are the key. Now top 1D are $100K plus unless your willing to deal with age etc. but this is just my opinion of the horse market. The other thing is finding someone that will sell their top 1D horse while its still winning. They are out there but hard to find. |
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