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Location: Texas | Some of the comments i've seen lately are just... Wow
Some from people I respect too!
There needs to be a proper explanation on saddle fit.
How bits work.
What products/companies are scams.
How you enter rodeos.
How you find barrel races.
How to tell if your horse is sore.
What you do about the soreness
The difference between PHT & BOT
I'm sure there is many more as well..
I completely understand when people are asking questions and are truly curious to learn, but I just saw someone try to say the difference between pht and bot and the amount of false information in the comment could not have been any greater.
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| I agree 100%! I can't imagine how hard it is these days to start barrel racing without having a rodeo background. There is false information and bad advise everywhere!! Anyone have the time to write a book?! Lol |
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| I never really thought about knowing the difference between BOT and PHT as being important information for beginning barrel racers. Good point. |
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| outrundaizy - 2015-07-03 8:47 PM
Some of the comments i've seen lately are just... WowSome from people I respect too!
There needs to be a proper explanation on saddle fit.
How bits work.
What products/companies are scams.
How you enter rodeos.
How you find barrel races.
How to tell if your horse is sore.
What you do about the soreness
The difference between PHT & BOT
I'm sure there is many more as well..
I completely understand when people are asking questions and are truly curious to learn, but I just saw someone try to say the difference between pht and bot and the amount of false information in the comment could not have been any greater.
There's just so much to learn and so much that so many people don't know.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | We all started by asking questions and by trial and error, I'm always happy to answer a question if I can answer it for a beginner, I'm always learning something new |
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Location: Texas | streakysox - 2015-07-03 9:16 PM I never really thought about knowing the difference between BOT and PHT as being important information for beginning barrel racers. Good point.
Im not sure it's a necessity, im just shocked by how little people know about the products and still use them on their horses.. I think we should know what the different therapies do for the horse before using them and mixing them. I imagine if you use BOT & PHT together or in the wrong order it could seriously hurt a horse.
I also by no means think I know everything about barrel racing either, if someone who does wants to write a book I'd buy it! I think it would be really neat to see some pro's come together and write a book. Trainers, NFR girls, Futurity riders, Super show winners, etc. And then maybe a section from some of their parents and what they learned? I think it would be a great asset that would be cost efficient too. |
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Location: Red Raiderland | There is a beginner's book, it's called- The internet.
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Location: SE Louisiana | Barrel Racing For Dummies. You folks should pool your knowledge and write this....We can let RWR spell-check it..
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| Kaycee - 2015-07-03 9:53 PM
There is a beginner's book, it's called- The internet.
I think you and I could be good friends. |
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Location: Texas | There are lots of books & Internet sites. The problem is: 1) some people are too lazy to read. 2) barrel racing (& other horse events) is difficult to learn without a mentor. I learned from an older gentleman that taught me so many things that were probably not written anywhere. In exchange, I rode his horses, cleaned his stalls, groomed his horses, washed his truck & trailers, unloaded his feed & hay, etc. etc. etc. I am so grateful for that opportunity (about 5 years of my teenage life).
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| outrundaizy - 2015-07-03 8:47 PM
Some of the comments i've seen lately are just... WowSome from people I respect too!
There needs to be a proper explanation on saddle fit.
How bits work.
What products/companies are scams.
How you enter rodeos.
How you find barrel races.
How to tell if your horse is sore.
What you do about the soreness
The difference between PHT & BOT
I'm sure there is many more as well..
I completely understand when people are asking questions and are truly curious to learn, but I just saw someone try to say the difference between pht and bot and the amount of false information in the comment could not have been any greater.
There's just so much to learn and so much that so many people don't know.
I missed the misinformation on the pht or bot comments.
The problem is there are so many philosophies on each topic, no one is correct or wrong.
How bits work, if you go by Mylers philosophy the port needs to be 3" or more to hit the roof of the mouth and the port is for tongue relief. Talk to many barrel racers, any port will hit the roof.
Les Vogt philosophy is a chain bit is very harsh due to all the ridges and no relief. Talk to many barrel racers and a chain bit is soft as it conforms to the mouth.
How to tell if a horse is sore, this needs to be a discussion that rider has with their vet. My vet has taken me step by step on what to look for, what to feel for, so I can determine when my horse needs a vet assessment. Again not all vets are created equal, so some vets will pass a horse on a soundness exam, and others will fail the horse horribly.
Saddle fit there are also two philosophies to this as well, most saddle makers build the saddle to fit on the shoulder, Martin (possibly coats) design their saddle to fit behind the shoulder. You can tell by where the rigging is placed on the saddle.
What new horse owners, or any barrel racer should look at is the source of the information.
Written
The author
Credentials
Peer reviewed
Published in scholarly journals/texts
Not older then 3 yrs in journal
Not older then 10 in text
Research based, where are the clinical trials?
The limitations of the article
What does the author have to gain, are they selling the product, are they sponsored by the company who makes the product, any monetary gain?
Then look for similar articles on the same topic to prove or disprove the first.
Verbal
Same as the above
Also what is the individuals experience, if it is a product,
What was the experience positive or negative
Did they use the product as directed
How long did they use the product for
What are their credentials. Training, years of experience, continuing education
Then go back and try to find the literature to prove and disprove
This is all I can think of off the top of my head.
Also remember
Horses are animals, not every horse will respond the same way to the product, there are those special horses who have an adverse reaction to a product, ie colicing with a magnetic blanket on, symptoms resolve once blanket is removed. |
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| This isn't a pure 'chain bit' but I thought the description of this bit from Les Vogt was interesting
http://www.lesvogt.com/the-developer-a2/
He even says it is on the 'Milder end of the spectrum'
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Location: Gainesville, TX | americanpride08 - 2015-07-03 10:06 PM
So I started training with someone, taking lessons to improve my riding and start bug on the pattern. Beginner all the way around. She actually told me the swirls on a horses forehead indicated weather they were good horses or not. Two swirls smart and good. Three insane. One lazy... After that statement i honestly don't know if she's the right person to take lessons from...
O.o
Actually the whorl theory is an old one that a number of trainers put stock in. Personally I'm skeptical but it's not an unusual theory if you were worried. Here's an article that details most of it.
http://www.horsesciencenews.com/horse-behavior/temperament/hair-rev...
ETA: http://www.foxpointfarm.com/site/mobile?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxpoi...
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Location: Red Raiderland | streakysox - 2015-07-03 10:07 PM
Kaycee - 2015-07-03 9:53 PM
There is a beginner's book, it's called- The internet.
I think you and I could be good friends.
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| bennie1 - 2015-07-03 11:13 PM
This isn't a pure 'chain bit' but I thought the description of this bit from Les Vogt was interesting
http://www.lesvogt.com/the-developer-a2/
He even says it is on the 'Milder end of the spectrum'
From my understanding is this would be mild due to the tongue relief, there are only 2 links of chain per side, which may not even reach the tongue, they may only work on the bars.
This bit may only create pressure on the lips, bars, and chin, may have no tongue pressure |
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| Agree that there is a tremendous amount of information on the web and it is helpful and it has helped me tremendously as I do not have access to a trainer or barrel clinics. I do read as much as I can get my hands on but there are times when having someone eles's eyes would be great. My horse's tell me when something is not right and I am learning to have confidence in our communication. Charmayne James has some good books and I do nope to get Dena Kirkpatrick's DVD's soon .... this board is helpful as well...even though I don't ask a lot of questions now I do learn from those here willing to share their knowledge and experience. |
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| Agree that there is a tremendous amount of information on the web and it is helpful and it has helped me tremendously as I do not have access to a trainer or barrel clinics. I do read as much as I can get my hands on but there are times when having someone eles's eyes would be great. My horse's tell me when something is not right and I am learning to have confidence in our communication. Charmayne James has some good books and I do nope to get Dena Kirkpatrick's DVD's soon .... this board is helpful as well...even though I don't ask a lot of questions now I do learn from those here willing to share their knowledge and experience. |
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| Kaycee - 2015-07-03 11:27 PM streakysox - 2015-07-03 10:07 PM Kaycee - 2015-07-03 9:53 PM There is a beginner's book, it's called- The internet.
I think you and I could be good friends.
My vet laughs when I refer to my "internet" degree. |
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Location: Lost in the swamps | rodeomom3 - 2015-07-04 8:16 AM
Kaycee - 2015-07-03 11:27 PM streakysox - 2015-07-03 10:07 PM Kaycee - 2015-07-03 9:53 PM There is a beginner's book, it's called- The internet.
I think you and I could be good friends. My vet laughs when I refer to my "internet" degree.
Hahahhaha mine too! They prob roll their eyes when I'm not looking.
But I love to read and it's mostly about horses,horse health and barrel racing.
Which is why I love this forum so much!
I love helping people when I can! I don't honestly have near
the knowledge as some on here but I'm always eager to soak up something new, or
something that I already know, just from a different perspective that makes
the little light bulb go off. Lol i wouldn't be where I am today with out the knowledge of others. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | bennie1 - 2015-07-03 11:13 PM This isn't a pure 'chain bit' but I thought the description of this bit from Les Vogt was interesting http://www.lesvogt.com/the-developer-a2/ He even says it is on the 'Milder end of the spectrum'
My daughter is riding her mare in a ported chain. Not something I ever in a million years would have thought would make her horse happy AND give her plenty of control, but her previous owner made the recommendation and by God, she was right. LOL. I've always disliked chains, but had to reconsider. You never stop learning... |
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