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Location: In The Snow, AZ | So, I feel like an idiot, because I responded to another bucking post about what I'd do if I had a horse that bucked. That being said, apparently I have one! YAY! My gelding is 5. Green broke. Started as a long 4 year old, just before I bought him. He's super mellow. Doesn't get excited about really anything. He's not oober spooky. He'd rather walk than anything else. I've ponied my daughter off of him many times on the trails without incident. A few weeks ago, I was slow loping the pattern with him. It was getting stormy out and he seemed to feel good about that. He bucked hard and I couldn't get him pulled up. He grabbed the bit and went for it. I hit the ground, but not super hard. Worked him a bit from the ground, then remounted and finished my ride on a better note.
Fast forward to yesterday, I saddled him and my mare up. Was going to pony her off of him. Two birds with one stone. (I don't get a lot of time to ride with my daughter on summer break). Mounted up, walked around the house. My mare was loligagging behind. Gelding didn't like the lead rope touching his butt and starts sidestepping and humping up. I threw the lead rope to the side to try and get him settled down. NOPE. He spun, took off running and went in to full bronc mode. He grabbed the bit and I had no response no matter how hard I tried to one rein him around. He is a big, strong dude. And he was determined to get me off. I don't believe he wants to hurt me. I believe he's young and doesn't know how to react to something that scares him. But once he starts bucking, I do believe he knows exactly what he's trying to accomplish. I got pretty banged up. Cut my face up, my arms look like I took a cheese grader to them, my knees and hip have something strained insde and I hurt everywhere. I didn't get back on, but managed to round pen him before tying him up for the day. I'm not scared to get back on, but I need to figure out how to gain control back once he reaches that point. Anyone have ideas? He's a nice, nice horse. This is new for him, BUT I don't want my husband to come home to me on the ground in a bad way.... |
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| I don't like this kind of bucker. I can understand if they are fresh when I first get on and take a jump or two and I can pull their head up.
This kind that you've ridden for a little while and they decide to really frickin do it, as in not letting you pull them around in a circle or get their head up and quit. They have too much purpose in their bucking for me.
If you're really attached to him, you might send him to a cowboy who is a good hand with a horse, with a lot of miles to cover and see if that cures him. |
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Location: Kansas | Could be several things. He needs lots of wet saddle pads for one...could be in pain...or it could be he's just a colt and needs to get the buck out of him.
Lounge him before you ride, every time. I do this with my colt, then hop on and he is fine.
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Location: Central Texas | bennie1 - 2015-07-09 10:29 AM
I don't like this kind of bucker. I can understand if they are fresh when I first get on and take a jump or two and I can pull their head up.
This kind that you've ridden for a little while and they decide to really frickin do it, as in not letting you pull them around in a circle or get their head up and quit. They have too much purpose in their bucking for me.
If you're really attached to him, you might send him to a cowboy who is a good hand with a horse, with a lot of miles to cover and see if that cures him.
I agree with this. Send him to someone will ride and work the heck out of him. See if that changes his mind. |
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Location: Oklahoma | I'll be following this thread!!
I got bucked off pretty badly almost two weeks ago while breezing my gelding thru the pattern. He tried it again the next time I got on him (no pattern), but for the most part I can pull him up and stop him. I'm having a bone scan done because I think it is pain related in my case, but I lunged him on Tuesday and he STILL got fiesty on the lunge line. For my sake I will be lunging him before I get back on these next couple of times I ride him.
Could your gelding be cold backed? It might explain some his actions, but not the lead rope incident. Hope you get him figured out!
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Serious Snap Trapper
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | I agree! He is bucking with purpose. I do not believe he is in pain. And I have never had a horse who wouldn't pull up or around. I wish I knew someone who could cowboy on him. That's what I told my husband. They could just take him for however long and ride him out. But I don't know anyone that I would trust to take him. Also thought about sending him off to a trainer. But that much $ going out right now is not really an option as we're saving for a down payment. I like the horse, but I'm not attached in a way that I wouldn't send him down the road. I don't need to break my neck over it. I will start round penning him before I ride. Maybe that will help him. Just frustrating that once he starts, there is no stop. |
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Location: Montana | I know the feeling, only I was able to pull his head round on my colt after about 5 bucks, and I think he was being fresh and probably a little cold backed as he had a week off because he humped up from the get go. Now I lunge before I get on, and so far it has worked. I'd like to send him off to get some more rides and be used, but everyone is so busy this time of the year I don't know who to send him to. Or give him a job, something to focus on. Plus he's a 3 y/o, and has less than 60 rides on him, so I'm thinking that may be part of it. More wet saddle blankets are a must for him.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Are you riding in a treeless saddle? |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | ampratt - 2015-07-09 10:33 AM bennie1 - 2015-07-09 10:29 AM I don't like this kind of bucker. I can understand if they are fresh when I first get on and take a jump or two and I can pull their head up. This kind that you've ridden for a little while and they decide to really frickin do it, as in not letting you pull them around in a circle or get their head up and quit. They have too much purpose in their bucking for me. If you're really attached to him, you might send him to a cowboy who is a good hand with a horse, with a lot of miles to cover and see if that cures him. I agree with this. Send him to someone will ride and work the heck out of him. See if that changes his mind.
I third this. And if it doesn't work, cut him loose. Not worth it.
My experience with a sneaky bucker that wanted me off: bucked me off twice after ownng him about 6 weeks. Like yours, once he started, he kept ramping it up until I was off. Sent to a trainer who rode him hard for a couple of weeks and horse was an angel. Went to pick him up, he bucked trainer off twice in less than 5 minutes and that dude was pretty handy. I traded him back to the breeder who had sold him to me as a gentle, super broke ranch horse.
I have one now that tried to buck me off last winter after a spook and run, but I got her head up or she raised it up after I started yelling curse words at her (I've had her since she was a yearling, she knows what that means. LOL). She went to horsey boot camp after that, saddled and tied in the morning, ridden in the afternoon, round penned, ground driven, or ponied before I stepped on. She hasn't offered to do it since, but if she does, she will be going to get cowboyed. Unlike yours, mine is kinda spooky, especially when she's in season, but she's coming back to me better now instead of panicking. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Ok I found your thread about the pads for a treelees and see that you do ride in a treeless, I would go back to a treed saddle on him. How long were you riding him in your treeless befor he statred to buck? |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | Southtxponygirl - 2015-07-09 8:49 AM Are you riding in a treeless saddle?
It has been varying BECAUSE of this. Originally I had him in a Billy Cook. Hubby bought me a treeless for him. Fits him beautifully. But that was the saddle I had on him when he first bucked. Granted, I've rideen him in the treeless several times without incident. So I have ridden him back in the Billy Cook or my husbands rope saddle. Yesterday he was in the rope saddle.
What would cause a horse to become cold backed? I haven't ridden him as much as he needs, I know that for sure. And I've just been getting by until Amber goes back to school. My daughter's only 6, so It's hard to entertain her while finding time to ride. So, yes, I have neglected working with him consistently. He may be fresh in that sense.
I like the idea of grabbing him out after feeding, saddling and leaving him there. Then round penning and working him throughout the day. Maybe a lightbulb will go off. But right now, hubby wants him gone. And maybe he's right. That was my thought after I got off the ground yesterday. LOL. I was wiping blood off my face and thinking, "That f***** is GONE" It may be the end result. But I don't want to just give up until I've really tried.
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Serious Snap Trapper
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | Southtxponygirl - 2015-07-09 9:02 AM Ok I found your thread about the pads for a treelees and see that you do ride in a treeless, I would go back to a treed saddle on him. How long were you riding him in your treeless befor he statred to buck?
Um, I would say total....maybe 10 rides with the treeless when he first bucked. But yesterday I had a treed saddle on him. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | ~BINGO~ - 2015-07-09 11:07 AM Southtxponygirl - 2015-07-09 9:02 AM Ok I found your thread about the pads for a treelees and see that you do ride in a treeless, I would go back to a treed saddle on him. How long were you riding him in your treeless befor he statred to buck? Um, I would say total....maybe 10 rides with the treeless when he first bucked. But yesterday I had a treed saddle on him.
Maybe have a chiro go over him, run your fingers down his back from withers to top of hip with some perssure and see if maybe hes sore, I dont blame your husband, hes worry about you getting really hurt, you dont need this, I would be cussing too if one of mine did this to me and hurt me.
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Location: Central Texas | If you have a little extra money I would suggest having his back xrayed. I suggest this because we had a mare when we first started her under saddle she appeared to be fine. Maybe a little humpy once in a while but no buck. Sent her to the trainer, she rode fine there at first as well but the more he rode/worked her she finally started breaking in two and I mean break in two. She didn't do it every time but she got to where she did it most of the time. She would ride fine for a while and then just bust loose. Finally had her back xrayed and she had a very very bad case of kissing spine. Now, like I said, it really didn't start to effect her until she started getting some serious saddle time. She was the sweetest thing to handle on the ground, great manners and acted great at the first start of a ride, then bam! Just a thought in the ruling things out process. |
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Location: somewhere in the middle | i always try to give them the benefit of the doubt and make sure that i'm not causing the problem inadvertently but in this case i really don't thing that your horse is sore. he just wants to buck you off. send him to a feed lot cowboy/colt breaker type of guy and insist he be completely honest with you about him so as not to was too much time or money on him. if he's not confident he's fixing him,CUT HIM LOOSE. Your well being is a lot more important than 'winning' this battle with the horse. And there's still the chance he may not even make a good barrel horse even if you get him over this. There are just too many horses out there to literally bust yourself up over this one. |
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Location: Missouri | IMO, he isn't cold-backed. That's one that you can feel when you get on, like they've got a hump in their spine and might do something. But, they warm up out of it (either lounging or riding.)
He also doesn't sound like a dirty bucker, one that bucks for no reason, without warning, with the intent to hurt you, no matter how long you've been on them.
I am not a trainer, but I do try to hang out with them as much as possible... and to me, your horse just doesn't sound broke. He's getting spooked or excited and reacting.
I couldn't handle one that bucked so hard...I'd have to send him off, if I felt like he was worth it. He needs riding and training. He needs to know there are other ways to react when he gets frightened. Lots of wet saddle blankets! 
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Location: California | If there is nothing wrong with him (back pain soreness or other above mentioned) & he still tried to buck like that... I would double bit him. If he is not listening when you pull him up, then I would have a backup bit. Typically you will see double bits in dressage, one just a snaffle & the other w/a shank. That or I would have a type of mechanical hackamore on him and use that as a backup. Just something where you can ride "normal" but still have the other option for "emergency" purposes. He may be learning if he bucks enough, it gets you off on days he doesn't want to work.
I mean it could just be another suggestion if you can't send him off, and don't want to sell him just yet. |
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Serious Snap Trapper
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | I run my fingers down his spine, with pressure, every time I saddle. He has never shown any soreness. He's a sweet guy. If I knew how to find someone who could use him on a ranch for a month or so, I would. But, like I said, we have other priorities that rank higher than him, so I'm not willing to emprovise what we're working towards to put money into him. He's costed us enough as it is. After reading your responses, I don't believe he is cold backed. I think he just needs worked hard and long and help him figure his way out of it, and find different ways to respond to something uncomfortable, And although I don't want to give up, I also don't want to get hurt....because it hurts. LOL. |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | ccarpe18 - 2015-07-09 10:05 AM If there is nothing wrong with him (back pain soreness or other above mentioned) & he still tried to buck like that... I would double bit him. If he is not listening when you pull him up, then I would have a backup bit. Typically you will see double bits in dressage, one just a snaffle & the other w/a shank. That or I would have a type of mechanical hackamore on him and use that as a backup. Just something where you can ride "normal" but still have the other option for "emergency" purposes. He may be learning if he bucks enough, it gets you off on days he doesn't want to work.
I mean it could just be another suggestion if you can't send him off, and don't want to sell him just yet.
I've never heard of double bitting. That might be something to try. I was also wondering about the little doodad "anti buck" device that runs over the poll and to the bit to keep from getting the head down so far. But not sure how those fare? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | ~BINGO~ - 2015-07-09 12:11 PM I run my fingers down his spine, with pressure, every time I saddle. He has never shown any soreness. He's a sweet guy. If I knew how to find someone who could use him on a ranch for a month or so, I would. But, like I said, we have other priorities that rank higher than him, so I'm not willing to emprovise what we're working towards to put money into him. He's costed us enough as it is. After reading your responses, I don't believe he is cold backed. I think he just needs worked hard and long and help him figure his way out of it, and find different ways to respond to something uncomfortable, And although I don't want to give up, I also don't want to get hurt....because it hurts. LOL.
See if you can find someone that will ride him for you for a couple of weeks, hes needs someone that can ride him threw his bucking, I know that your strap for money, but this would be worth to see if he will get over this bucking crud, do you have a friend that would be willing to ride him for you that works cattle?
I got a horse about five years or more ago that would buck and he could crank it up and get his riders off, I got him and hes never bucked me off but a few times he thought about it and didnt let him get started when I could tell hes thinking about it, I really think it was a saddle issue at the time. Had another one that was a perfect boy untill I changed saddle pads, my new pad was to hard and stiff and he hated it changed back to his old pad and no problem. |
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